Cheltenham 2021 - Ante Post Bets

[OverTheLast]

Any news on Interconnected?

[Dessie the great]

PTKO connections will have little choice when she's blown away in open company this season

What is going to blow her away. HdB sending her for the Schloer, she wont meet Altior or Chacun there

[opatcho]

What is going to blow her away. HdB sending her for the Schloer, she wont meet Altior or Chacun there

Defi will beat her

[Kevloaf]

Defi will beat her

He beat Politilogue in it last year.

If she's beaten, shall we all give up?





I don't like the statements given as fact,.. just add a bit of context

[Dessie the great]

He beat Politilogue in it last year.

If she's beaten, shall we all give up?





I don't like the statements given as fact,.. just add a bit of context

Agree, I dont see anything Defi has done in the last year that would make him a sure thing to beat PTKO to be honest.

[Saxon Warrior]

Writing off an Arkle winner, that pushed on so well that she beat the 3rd by almost 20 lengths, is madness.

Just because she wasn't the sexy horse that was "supposed" to win would be nuts, wouldn't it?

Or wallet talk, because she beat what we had backed, and that must be a fluke.

We are better than that, I hope.

[Halffat1]

Writing off an Arkle winner, that pushed on so well that she beat the 3rd by almost 20 lengths, is madness.

Just because she wasn't the sexy horse that was "supposed" to win would be nuts, wouldn't it?

Or wallet talk, because she beat what we had backed, and that must be a fluke.

We are better than that, I hope.

When six fail to complete, the favourite doesn't run it's race and the trainer says the second could be stepped up to three miles this season, I have some reservations about the Arkle form... for now.

I also read that having had a long summer break she will be campaigned different this season. Arriving fresh last year was a success but it seems that this year she will be campaigned over the winter, so for me it's an unknown how she will cope.

That being said, I won't be writing her off, just a watching brief for now!

[charlie]

Writing off an Arkle winner, that pushed on so well that she beat the 3rd by almost 20 lengths, is madness.

Just because she wasn't the sexy horse that was "supposed" to win would be nuts, wouldn't it?

Or wallet talk, because she beat what we had backed, and that must be a fluke.

We are better than that, I hope.

Writing off an Arkle winner isn't madness. Duc des Genievres won in 2019 - achieved the sum total of zero since. Footpad won in 2018 - pretty much rubbish after that. PTKO won and won well, but we know Fakir want's further, a number of market principles underperformed, and it was pretty unimpressive on the clock.

[Quevega]

Writing off an Arkle winner, that pushed on so well that she beat the 3rd by almost 20 lengths, is madness.

Just because she wasn't the sexy horse that was "supposed" to win would be nuts, wouldn't it?

Or wallet talk, because she beat what we had backed, and that must be a fluke.

We are better than that, I hope.

Whilst I've taken a view on PTKO.
It's just that, for now, and I could easily be wrong.
It's definitely part annoyance on my part (but that's normal for me)
Because I agree completely with the rationale for why the front 2 could be very useful.

They probably should be viewed similarly to the front 2 in the supreme, who appear to have been almost universally accepted as very useful. These have been priced up like it's guaranteed good form. Whereas the arkle is viewed with more circumspection.

They all have to come out this season in a different league and show where they stack up.
I actually quite like the idea of Fakir in a Gold Cup, so excited to see how he does when he tries 3 miles first time.

[Quevega]

Writing off an Arkle winner isn't madness. Duc des Genievres won in 2019 - achieved the sum total of zero since. Footpad won in 2018 - pretty much rubbish after that. PTKO won and won well, but we know Fakir want's further, a number of market principles underperformed, and it was pretty unimpressive on the clock.

Not sure all that's accurate charlie.
It's easy to write off arkle winners after they've been shit. And Footpad was certainly expected to do more. By many experts.
And the time was better than the champion chase, on worse ground.

[Dessie the great]

There is some amount of holes in these arguement.

First of all the time, "the best supreme in years" was 17 seconds above standard while the arkle was 16 seconds above standard. The time was 2 seconds faster than the qmcc on slower ground.

6 didnt finish? 5 didnt comolete, Cash back and esprit du large were falling out the back of the tv when they fell, 1 pulled up, Murphys horse hadnt jumped a fence the whole way around

She had a busy campaign last summer and ran to form everyday she was out. She may or may not win or place in a QMCC but not for any of the above reasons

[charlie]

Not sure all that's accurate charlie.
It's easy to write off arkle winners after they've been shit. And Footpad was certainly expected to do more. By many experts.
And the time was better than the champion chase, on worse ground.

Think it's pretty fair tbh Q. It was a slower time for an Arkle and the CC was comfortably the worst CC I've ever seen. Barring Fakir (who goes up in trip) PTKO left a field behind that nobody really expects much from do they? Don't get me wrong, I was impressed with PTKO, but I disagree with the OP that it's madness writing off an Arkle winner because they hold the title of 'Arkle winner'. Yes, it's easy using recent example after they have proven to be shit, but it's equally hard to go the other way and find reasons to oppose an Arkle winner based on the points I've outlined.

[Quevega]

Think it's pretty fair tbh Q. It was a slower time for an Arkle and the CC was comfortably the worst CC I've ever seen. Barring Fakir (who goes up in trip) PTKO left a field behind that nobody really expects much from do they? Don't get me wrong, I was impressed with PTKO, but I disagree with the OP that it's madness writing off an Arkle winner because they hold the title of 'Arkle winner'. Yes, it's easy using recent example after they have proven to be shit, but it's equally hard to go the other way and find reasons to oppose an Arkle winner based on the points I've outlined.

Definitely not madness to write off an arkle winner, that's for sure.

I think I said in an earlier discussion.
Arkle winners have a very good record, but 9/10 it's either a clear standout arkle winner (throughout the season) or one with an very good hurdle rating.

The last 2 renewals lack that aspect for sure.

We'll agree to disagree on the times.
The ground will produce a big variance on these for sure.
The one thing the front two did demonstrate was to go a championship level gallop, and maintain it. The other horses in the race had there guts ripped out of them or other mishaps.

[Saxon Warrior]

Writing off an Arkle winner isn't madness. Duc des Genievres won in 2019 - achieved the sum total of zero since. Footpad won in 2018 - pretty much rubbish after that. PTKO won and won well, but we know Fakir want's further, a number of market principles underperformed, and it was pretty unimpressive on the clock.

DDG was written off as an Arkle winner, as the whole front-end of the antepost Arkle market ended up missing the race, which devalued it before the race started.

[Saxon Warrior]

Definitely not madness to write off an arkle winner, that's for sure.

I think I said in an earlier discussion.
Arkle winners have a very good record, but 9/10 it's either a clear standout arkle winner (throughout the season) or one with an very good hurdle rating.

The last 2 renewals lack that aspect for sure.

We'll agree to disagree on the times.
The ground will produce a big variance on these for sure.
The one thing the front two did demonstrate was to go a championship level gallop, and maintain it. The other horses in the race had there guts ripped out of them or other mishaps.

Yes, saying 6 didnt finish is rather hiding the truth that they were either well beaten anyway, or they couldnt jump the course at Championship pace.