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....Melon could be interesting next year with the trainer suggesting a step up in trip. Stamina would be an unknown although it wasn’t stopping at the end of the Marsh.
Ryanair more likely but 66-1 for the Gold Cup with cash-out might be worth having on-side ahead of the campaign.
Same ownership as Al Boum Photo, barring injury to ABP I can’t see them wanting to have two in the race given ABP’s shot at history.
Ryanair the likely target but don’t dismiss a poor campaign to gain a workable mark for the Plate/Browns Advisory...
Same ownership as Al Boum Photo, barring injury to ABP I can’t see them wanting to have two in the race given ABP’s shot at history.
Ryanair the likely target but don’t dismiss a poor campaign to gain a workable mark for the Plate/Browns Advisory...
...I doubt many who finished 2nd in a Supreme, 2 CHs and a Marsh go down that route but time will tell.
Stating a horse wins a novice chase before you've even seen it jump a fence in public is madness, Even if you've seen it jump at home to think replicating the same shape under race conditions is folly.
Shishkin may well be a nice horse & Nico might think the world of him but his current price is based on novice hurdle form and potential, The hurdle form counts for nothing once he goes chasing & potential is totally unknown, For me he won the Supreme because Davy ended up in front way too early and the ground was against Abacadabras but suited Shishkin.
Sorry but taking 4/1 - 7/2 on a novice chaser in April for any race next March is a tad mental when we know nothing about how they came out of Cheltenham, What connections have in mind for their horse and as I said above how they'll jump a fence.
Currently of the novices I'm looking at Elixar D'ainay, The Big Breakaway, Bright Forecast, Klassical Dream & Abacadabras as a few I feel are worth covering at the prices, Knowing where they'll end up is the tough bit but at least the unknown of target or how they take to fences is factored into the price.
Abacadabras got left last at the start and got knowcked sideways when Captain Guinness / Elixar D'ainay came down also...But yes Shishkin had it tough..
Stating a horse wins a novice chase before you've even seen it jump a fence in public is madness, Even if you've seen it jump at home to think replicating the same shape under race conditions is folly.
Shishkin may well be a nice horse & Nico might think the world of him but his current price is based on novice hurdle form and potential, The hurdle form counts for nothing once he goes chasing & potential is totally unknown, For me he won the Supreme because Davy ended up in front way too early and the ground was against Abacadabras but suited Shishkin.
Sorry but taking 4/1 - 7/2 on a novice chaser in April for any race next March is a tad mental when we know nothing about how they came out of Cheltenham, What connections have in mind for their horse and as I said above how they'll jump a fence.
Currently of the novices I'm looking at Elixar D'ainay, The Big Breakaway, Bright Forecast, Klassical Dream & Abacadabras as a few I feel are worth covering at the prices, Knowing where they'll end up is the tough bit but at least the unknown of target or how they take to fences is factored into the price.
Gosh EnvoiAlien Im not sure I can agree with much of that!!! "the hurdle form counts for nothing once he goes chasing". Im not sure where to start with that. I would argue strongly that it counts for an awful lot, I accept it doesnt guarantee that he will be as good over a fence. And fwiw I think 4/1 Arkle for Shishkin is a bet, when you factor in the available info at the moment. In fact hes a max bet.
Abacadabras got left last at the start and got knowcked sideways when Captain Guinness / Elixar D'ainay came down also...But yes Shishkin had it tough..
He didnt get left at the start, he was slightly slower away than others he wasnt even last away??
Gosh EnvoiAlien Im not sure I can agree with much of that!!! "the hurdle form counts for nothing once he goes chasing". Im not sure where to start with that. I would argue strongly that it counts for an awful lot, I accept it doesnt guarantee that he will be as good over a fence. And fwiw I think 4/1 Arkle for Shishkin is a bet, when you factor in the available info at the moment. In fact hes a max bet.
Agreed. When a Jockey and a Trainer both say a horse is built/would suit chasing and on top of this also described the horse as their best chance of a winner in the 2020 lead up, they must really rate his work . They tend to know what they are looking for too and HENDO is usually very modest in his interviews.
Im picturing similar attributes of a young Mike Tyson back in his amateur days.... They knew he was going to be heavyweight champ before his first pro fight!
What are people's thoughts on where The Big Getaway will end up? I've taken the view that it will be the RSA as he's such a big galloping type who may just get outpaced at the finish in a Marsh but his price is shorter in the Marsh?
What are people's thoughts on where The Big Getaway will end up? I've taken the view that it will be the RSA as he's such a big galloping type who may just get outpaced at the finish in a Marsh but his price is shorter in the Marsh?
THE BIG GETAWAY -
Willie Mullins ‘He was beaten but a proper horse. Ours looks a real chasing type and I imagine we’ll be looking towards the RSA next season - but we’ll probably have to meet the winner there again.’
Gosh EnvoiAlien Im not sure I can agree with much of that!!! "the hurdle form counts for nothing once he goes chasing". Im not sure where to start with that. I would argue strongly that it counts for an awful lot, I accept it doesnt guarantee that he will be as good over a fence. And fwiw I think 4/1 Arkle for Shishkin is a bet, when you factor in the available info at the moment. In fact hes a max bet.
Abacadabras got left last at the start and got knowcked sideways when Captain Guinness / Elixar D'ainay came down also...But yes Shishkin had it tough..
At the third last shishkin got knocked further out than Aba did.
At the second last Aba dodged the fall of Elixir fairly well which is compliment to the horse and jockey, shishkin had to dodge the fall of both horses to get round which lost a lot more momentum and lengths than Aba did.
To mention the start of a 2m race as a potential excuse I can’t have, wasn’t as it he was left 10 lengths, different if it was a 5f sprint, but we have had a moan at the starter this year. He was in the middle of the pack by the time they got to the second hurdle.
I don’t see what else was going to take Aba further than AF did? Is it davys fault then, was he there too early? We will never know if elixir or captain Guinness would have taken him further. He was just outfought by the better horse, both ran great races in the circumstances.
I don’t buy the ground excuse most of the time and especially not with Aba considering he’d won on heavy already, hendo also said the ground wouldn’t have suited shishkin either so much of a muchness if you believe the grounds excuse for trainers.
Shishkin Even has the same diamond on his head as altior. It is so spooky that they are from the same stable and both ran to similar ratings at the same stage in their careers but also extremely exciting .... How amazing for HENDO would it be if ALTIOR retires and SHISKIN steps up.... how has he managed that one!?
Or maybe we are trying to be too clever and a question i have been asking myself........ is this all really obvious to the average punter or are we all being quite clever and smart here by drawing these comparisons?
Arkle - Shishkin / Pic D'Orhy / Darver Star
Ballymore - Ferny Hollow
Champion Hurdle - Goshen
Ballymore - Allmankind / Appreciate It
RSA - Envoi Allen / The Big Getaway
Champion Chase - Chacun Por Soi
Gold Cup - Delta Work
Stayers - Thyme Hill
Supreme - Ferny Hollow
I think both Shiskin & Abracadabras are very smart horses and will both go on to winning more graded races. Fortunately I think they will take different paths next season.
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