2022 Mares Chase

[The Giant Bolster]

I still think HdB will keep some patience with Magic Daze as an Arkle shot but will reroute potential back ups.

I feel like HdB had a number of potential Arkle horses that seem to have been kept over hurdles (Quixilios, Aspire Tower, Jason the Militant). So they must be confident with their Arkle hand. If not Magic Daze then who?

GoL: The post race comments suggest a preference for a longer trip if possible.

Bob O: I agree with the logic that - if they see him as a GC horse next year - the Marsh or RSA are much more likely.

Who else? Has anyone seen any reports on Ballyadam who could be an option (apologies if I've missed something).

My hunch would be Magic Daze is first choice but they will reroute GoL if the former flops.

[Winging The Last]

I still think HdB will keep some patience with Magic Daze as an Arkle shot but will reroute potential back ups.

I feel like HdB had a number of potential Arkle horses that seem to have been kept over hurdles (Quixilios, Aspire Tower, Jason the Militant). So they must be confident with their Arkle hand. If not Magic Daze then who?

GoL: The post race comments suggest a preference for a longer trip if possible.

Bob O: I agree with the logic that - if they see him as a GC horse next year - the Marsh or RSA are much more likely.

Who else? Has anyone seen any reports on Ballyadam who could be an option (apologies if I've missed something).

My hunch would be Magic Daze is first choice but they will reroute GoL if the former flops.

I think Ballyadam will go chasing reading between the lines of the owner.

But in the end trainers don’t have to have a horse for each race. Henry is not the sort of trainer to just put horses in races for the sake of it, because he hasn’t got a horse already in that race. He’ll put his horses in races he thinks they can win, and will help progress their career. In the end he may not end up having an Arkle horse if he doesn’t believe any of them are suited to it or capable of winning it.

In the end Magic Daze won’t be winning at Cheltenham so I think we need to forget about her for the festival

[jack1092]

In the end Magic Daze won’t be winning at Cheltenham so I think we need to forget about her for the festival

I'm willing to bet your house you'd have said the same about PTKO as well. An injury or two away from a poor enough Arkle- Comes out and wins handy enough next time and she's back in with an e/w squeak in what can be a small field.

[Winging The Last]

I'm willing to bet your house you'd have said the same about PTKO as well. An injury or two away from a poor enough Arkle- Comes out and wins handy enough next time and she's back in with an e/w squeak in what can be a small field.

It won’t be a poor Arkle this year unless at least 3 top horses get injured, which I very much doubt will happen. Magic Daze won’t be winning the Arkle

[Craigy14]

I think Ballyadam will go chasing reading between the lines of the owner.

But in the end trainers don’t have to have a horse for each race. Henry is not the sort of trainer to just put horses in races for the sake of it, because he hasn’t got a horse already in that race. He’ll put his horses in races he thinks they can win, and will help progress their career. In the end he may not end up having an Arkle horse if he doesn’t believe any of them are suited to it or capable of winning it.

In the end Magic Daze won’t be winning at Cheltenham so I think we need to forget about her for the festival

Bit harsh after finishing second in her only appearance on the track WTL

She didn’t overly impress yesterday neither did she perform poorly imo. See what happens next time then we can dismiss her or look like she deserved another chance.

[Lobos]

Plenty on here were dismissing GOL as a Cheltenham Festival horse when she got beat in her previous race. They are not machines.

[Faugheen_Machine]

I've seen much worse chasing debuts than Magic Daze yesterday.

I've only got her in a couple of multiples but wasn't rushing to cash her out. She at least deserves a chance over two miles to see how she goes.

It might be a bit of a stretch to see her winning but plenty can happen in next 5 months.

[Lobos]

It won’t be a poor Arkle this year unless at least 3 top horses get injured, which I very much doubt will happen. Magic Daze won’t be winning the Arkle

The thing is, those 3 top horses haven't jumped a fence in public yet. They too could disappoint in their opening races. At this stage everything is up in the air.

[jack1092]

It won’t be a poor Arkle this year unless at least 3 top horses get injured, which I very much doubt will happen. Magic Daze won’t be winning the Arkle

Lol, ok....glad you are so certain.

[Winging The Last]

Bit harsh after finishing second in her only appearance on the track WTL

She didn’t overly impress yesterday neither did she perform poorly imo. See what happens next time then we can dismiss her or look like she deserved another chance.

You have to look at the form of that race though as well tbh.

The first has run once since and was beaten 19 lengths
3rd run 5 times on the flat since won 1 battered in the other 4
4th won the race after but only beat the horse that came 11th by half a length. The fell and pulled up after
5th not raced since though was beaten 7 lengths by Wild About Oscar before that and gave him 7 pounds
6th beaten 19 lengths by 4th since

Magic Daze has a hurdle rating of 135
Appreciate It has a hurdle rating of 160 (Ferny would have similar)
Taking into account the mares allowance she has 18 pounds to make up in hurdle form with Appreciate It making no progress over Fences on his hurdle mark

[jack1092]

You have to look at the form of that race though as well tbh.

The first has run once since and was beaten 19 lengths
3rd run 5 times on the flat since won 1 battered in the other 4
4th won the race after but only beat the horse that came 11th by half a length. The fell and pulled up after
5th not raced since though was beaten 7 lengths by Wild About Oscar before that and gave him 7 pounds
6th beaten 19 lengths by 4th since

Magic Daze has a hurdle rating of 135
Appreciate It has a hurdle rating of 160 (Ferny would have similar)
Taking into account the mares allowance she has 18 pounds to make up in hurdle form with Appreciate It making no progress over Fences on his hurdle mark

Appreciate it's a 7yo shes a 5yo. He started racing in early 18, MD late 2020.

I'm not even bothering typing too much on this subject as both are at completely different ends of the market.

[Winging The Last]

The thing is, those 3 top horses haven't jumped a fence in public yet. They too could disappoint in their opening races. At this stage everything is up in the air.

You do have to remember that all three have won PtP’s though impressively, so have shown that they can jump fences

[Quevega]

You have to look at the form of that race though as well tbh.

The first has run once since and was beaten 19 lengths
3rd run 5 times on the flat since won 1 battered in the other 4
4th won the race after but only beat the horse that came 11th by half a length. The fell and pulled up after
5th not raced since though was beaten 7 lengths by Wild About Oscar before that and gave him 7 pounds
6th beaten 19 lengths by 4th since

Magic Daze has a hurdle rating of 135
Appreciate It has a hurdle rating of 160 (Ferny would have similar)
Taking into account the mares allowance she has 18 pounds to make up in hurdle form with Appreciate It making no progress over Fences on his hurdle mark

I agree with you to a point.
In respect of "why Magic Daze ?"

Her credits are that She has a good run in the book at the festival and is trained by a man who is on form (especially his horses last March) and can clearly train a novice chaser.

But in terms of what we've seen on the track in all her races so far, then there must be another 10 or 20 horses (at least) with a similar 'form' chance.

In a nutshell.
There's been far too much talk about this horse and she's not yet worthy, and IMO unlikely to prove worthy.

[Spectre]

It won’t be a poor Arkle this year unless at least 3 top horses get injured, which I very much doubt will happen. Magic Daze won’t be winning the Arkle

Doubt away WTL. It's perhaps not such a good idea.

The season before last Altior, Chacun, and Defi were hot favourites and none of them made it. Chacun and Altior very late on. Politologue was the beneficiary in what was a terrible renewal.

You also have Newmill 16/1 type renewals where Kauto Star fell, and Moscow Flyer massively underperformed probably for the only time in his life. Newmill went back three more times and was smashed each time. Douvan at 2/9 trailing in last when Special Tiara won at 11/1 as a 10 year old. Who'd have thought that when he was a nailed on certainty?

And there's nothing more I could write about Put The Kettle On that hasn't already been written. Very few people gave her any chance whatsoever.

It never pays to write a horse off after one race, and it definitely doesn't pay to ignore the possibility of injuries over a season, and particularly when horses are having their work increased in the lead up to the Festival. This seems to be more true of the Champion Chasers than any other race.

[Lobos]

Above post is the best I've read on here in some time. Brilliant Spectre.