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Apologies for going back more than a week after the original post, but isn’t the main issue with Mount Ida the fact that the only time she’s ran in a chase left handed she jumped violently right throughout. Generally when she was in and amongst the pack in the Kim muir she was okay, but any time she had space around her she really struggled. There will be far fewer runners here and I can’t see the jocks allowing her a run around on the inside mid div throughout giving her a chance to jump straight.
Still get double figures running here? I'd trust Kennedy or Russell to be able to get her cover if they thought she needed it.
Jumping right didn't stop her winning at the festival by 6L to the horse that went and won the Hennessy (Ladbrokes) - so it's a fair, fair piece of form?
I maintain, if you like Elimay, you can't ignore Mount Ida.
Still get double figures running here? I'd trust Kennedy or Russell to be able to get her cover if they thought she needed it.
Jumping right didn't stop her winning at the festival by 6L to the horse that went and won the Hennessy (Ladbrokes) - so it's a fair, fair piece of form?
I maintain, if you like Elimay, you can't ignore Mount Ida.
Yes there will be double figures here, but there won’t be anywhere near as much chance of getting cover, and all of the jocks at the start will be looking to push her to the outside. she clearly had 20lbs upwards in hand last year and was smashed off of the boards accordingly. However, she’s very talented and I certainly understand your viewpoint from an ability/formline Standpoint.
I think she’s just not going to recover so easily and with so much in hand at this level if she does start going right.
where I’m going with this is I think I will look to back her in running to understand track position and whether she’s jumping true (I know you make a book so it makes sense to have her covered)
I have Mount Ida as fav. She's beaten last years second place (with first now retired), a second place who has some decent collateral form with Monkfish and Envoi Allen. She's also beaten last years Champion Chaser who admittedly looks out of sorts. Yes, she jumps right, but she has course form. Last year could've been a fluke, but I think the 7/1 about her is more than value even taking that possibility into account. I can't see why she is twice the price of Concertista.
I have Mount Ida as fav. She's beaten last years second place (with first now retired), a second place who has some decent collateral form with Monkfish and Envoi Allen. She's also beaten last years Champion Chaser who admittedly looks out of sorts. Yes, she jumps right, but she has course form. Last year could've been a fluke, but I think the 7/1 about her is more than value even taking that possibility into account. I can't see why she is twice the price of Concertista.
Me either. Deffo one of the best prices about at the front end of current markets IMO.
I have Mount Ida as fav. She's beaten last years second place (with first now retired), a second place who has some decent collateral form with Monkfish and Envoi Allen. She's also beaten last years Champion Chaser who admittedly looks out of sorts. Yes, she jumps right, but she has course form. Last year could've been a fluke, but I think the 7/1 about her is more than value even taking that possibility into account. I can't see why she is twice the price of Concertista.
Beaten last years second by half a length but surely Elimay comes on again for that run? When Elimay was fully tuned up last April in fairyhouse she beat Mount Ida a couple of lengths giving her 6lbs (I’m not sure what the weight difference will be in the mares chase with Elimay only having won a listed class race since last year!?) I just think with mount Ida jumping right over a trip you could argue is short of her optimum I will be shocked if she finishes in front of Elimay!
Beaten last years second by half a length but surely Elimay comes on again for that run? When Elimay was fully tuned up last April in fairyhouse she beat Mount Ida a couple of lengths giving her 6lbs (I’m not sure what the weight difference will be in the mares chase with Elimay only having won a listed class race since last year!?) I just think with mount Ida jumping right over a trip you could argue is short of her optimum I will be shocked if she finishes in front of Elimay!
This has been my view for a while but I just get the feeling now that Mount Ida may have improved enough to make herself competitive, no question in my mind Elimay will come a bundle for her last run but I can’t now rule Mount Ida out….
Beaten last years second by half a length but surely Elimay comes on again for that run? When Elimay was fully tuned up last April in fairyhouse she beat Mount Ida a couple of lengths giving her 6lbs (I’m not sure what the weight difference will be in the mares chase with Elimay only having won a listed class race since last year!?) I just think with mount Ida jumping right over a trip you could argue is short of her optimum I will be shocked if she finishes in front of Elimay!
Are you not marking up Mount Ida's run at all for the coming together with Scarlet and Dove? Seemed to me that Elimay stole at least a couple of lengths following the mid air collision. Elimay is definitely not running to last years level, but that might be a permanent drop in form rather than temporary. Nothing to say Mount Ida wouldn't come on for that run either.
This is all said as an Elimay backer. I just couldn't help but be impressed with Mount Ida this season to date.
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This has been my view for a while but I just get the feeling now that Mount Ida may have improved enough to make herself competitive, no question in my mind Elimay will come a bundle for her last run but I can’t now rule Mount Ida out….
I do have that doubt with Elimay. Am I alone in thinking she is one turn of the dial away from turning sour. I’m not particularly liking the signs I am seeing. I worry that the Cheltenham run has left it’s mark. I think we saw that at Fairyhouse in April and again this season. She is only a pony and I worry that these efforts are starting to take their toll. If anyone can get her zip back it is Willie but once a mare starts showing these signs it’s often only a matter of time before they say no more thanks.
I do have that doubt with Elimay. Am I alone in thinking she is one turn of the dial away from turning sour. I’m not particularly liking the signs I am seeing. I worry that the Cheltenham run has left it’s mark. I think we saw that at Fairyhouse in April and again this season. She is only a pony and I worry that these efforts are starting to take their toll. If anyone can get her zip back it is Willie but once a mare starts showing these signs it’s often only a matter of time before they say no more thanks.
I'm of exactly the same opinion. Have to hope she's given a rest between Christmas and March and that does the trick. Hope Henry does the same with Gin on Lime.
The fact Mount Ida has been entered for the GC and may well take up that entry has been factored into her current price for this. Hence it looks bigger than it should be. Best to wait for NRNB if backing her ??
The fact Mount Ida has been entered for the GC and may well take up that entry has been factored into her current price for this. Hence it looks bigger than it should be. Best to wait for NRNB if backing her ??
The fact Mount Ida has been entered for the GC and may well take up that entry has been factored into her current price for this. Hence it looks bigger than it should be. Best to wait for NRNB if backing her ??
The fact Mount Ida has been entered for the GC and may well take up that entry has been factored into her current price for this. Hence it looks bigger than it should be. Best to wait for NRNB if backing her ??
Do you think that was on the bookies mind when she went 7/1 following her defeat of Elimay over Christmas? I don't think she was even priced up for the GC at that point (could be wrong). I agree that we have to factor it in to whether we think the price is value, but I'm not sure the bookies factored it in when pricing up.
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