2022 Gold Cup

[Eireman]

I can definitely see protektorat being the best of the British

Though iv never really taken to chantry house

I'm the same. I don't think Chantry House has a performance in him like the one Protektorat just put up. To many have to fall out for Chantry house to win imo.

[MadeinJapan]

I’ve asked Bazza to add him on the Exchange… see what he says

Quevega Asterion Forlonge added to Gold Cup market on the Exchange - current liquidity can back him at 41/1…

[Quevega]

Quevega Asterion Forlonge added to Gold Cup market on the Exchange - current liquidity can back him at 41/1…

Thankyou sir

[Carnage at Taunton]

I'm the same. I don't think Chantry House has a performance in him like the one Protektorat just put up. To many have to fall out for Chantry house to win imo.

I like Protektorat and think he’s a big player, but I also think Ch would have won that race on Saturday as well. Can see both challenging in March.

[Kevloaf]

I like Protektorat and think he’s a big player, but I also think Ch would have won that race on Saturday as well. Can see both challenging in March.

Plenty of horses we could say would have won the race on Saturday as well instead of Protektorat though?

A Plus Tard, Minella Indo, Allaho, Asterion Forlonge, Al Boum Photo, Galvin, Clan Des Obeaux, Denman?

Not sure they'll all be challenging in March though

[nortonscoin200]

Plenty of horses we could say would have won the race on Saturday as well instead of Protektorat though?

A Plus Tard, Minella Indo, Allaho, Asterion Forlonge, Al Boum Photo, Galvin, Clan Des Obeaux, Denman?

Not sure they'll all be challenging in March though

Really Kev?

Surely what you can say is that Protektorat and Chantry House are two improvers at the right age to make their mark in the Gold Cup next March.

Protektorat looked an absolutely relentless galloper on his latest start - and no matter the opposition that was visually impressive. If it comes up soft/softish in March he's in the mix.

His previous run at Cheltenham off top weight over a shorter trip also backs up the impression that after a wind op and now running over 3 miles he has gone to a new level.

And next year he'll be seven which has often proved the perfect age for a rapid improver to win the Gold Cup.

As for Chantry House - setting aside the merits or otherwise of his price - if he wins the GC next year you could look back at his career form (as Q succinctly spells out) and say 'why the devil didn't I see that coming'.

I speak as someone who hasn't backed either Protektorat or Chantry House yet.

But imo it's highly unlikely that the first two home this year will fight out the finish again in March - we're not talking about Arkle and Mill House here - and my guess is that a repeat 1-2 rarely happens in the GC.

[Kevloaf]

Really Kev?

Surely what you can say is that Protektorat and Chantry House are two improvers at the right age to make their mark in the Gold Cup next March.

Protektorat looked an absolutely relentless galloper on his latest start - and no matter the opposition that was visually impressive. If it comes up soft/softish in March he's in the mix.

His previous run at Cheltenham off top weight over a shorter trip also backs up the impression that after a wind op and now running over 3 miles he has gone to a new level.

And next year he'll be seven which has often proved the perfect age for a rapid improver to win the Gold Cup.

As for Chantry House - setting aside the merits or otherwise of his price - if he wins the GC next year you could look back at his career form (as Q succinctly spells out) and say 'why the devil didn't I see that coming'.

I speak as someone who hasn't backed either Protektorat or Chantry House yet.

But imo it's highly unlikely that the first two home this year will fight out the finish again in March - we're not talking about Arkle and Mill House here - and my guess is that a repeat 1-2 rarely happens in the GC.

It'd be mainly that I don't think the British Novice Chasers were all that.

Monkfish and Envoi Allen, in my opinion, were quite clearly the best two novice chasers...

Now one is out for the season, the other looks to not be as good .... however, I'm still not allowing the 'void' that they've left mean that CH or P or any other horse from last year will automatically step up.


Of course they could, I just don't think they're vintage horses to do it.


They're the best that's left of what may not had been a good enough bunch anyway, I feel Monkfish and EA were, that is my point. So personally I won't be amazed at the same 1-2....

[Dandrew99]

Just seen that the same tricast is 100/1 on SkyBet, was actually bigger than I expected...

[Rooster Booster]

It'd be mainly that I don't think the British Novice Chasers were all that.

Monkfish and Envoi Allen, in my opinion, were quite clearly the best two novice chasers...

Now one is out for the season, the other looks to not be as good .... however, I'm still not allowing the 'void' that they've left mean that CH or P or any other horse from last year will automatically step up.


Of course they could, I just don't think they're vintage horses to do it.


They're the best that's left of what may not had been a good enough bunch anyway, I feel Monkfish and EA were, that is my point. So personally I won't be amazed at the same 1-2....

where do you think CH would have finished if he had run in this years rsa Kev?

[Kevloaf]

where do you think CH would have finished if he had run in this years rsa Kev?

2nd, well beaten like the rest of them despite Monkfish being a bit underwhelming.

[Carnage at Taunton]

Indeed. Though I thought Eireman was saying he prefers P cos he don’t think CH could have done what P did at Aintree…..I think he could have.
Sorry, forgot to quote you Kev

[Rooster Booster]

2nd, well beaten like the rest of them despite Monkfish being a bit underwhelming.

Fiddler was only beaten 6 1/2 with the rest a mile back so CH would be ahead of Fiddler and still well beaten. Guess it must have been a photo for second

[Kevloaf]

Fiddler was only beaten 6 1/2 with the rest a mile back so CH would be ahead of Fiddler and still well beaten. Guess it must have been a photo for second

You're on the wind up surely.

"only beaten" 6.5L, that's plenty to be beaten.... by a horse that IMO wasn't near his best.

I was being polite saying 2nd, but the point was that even if he had finished second, which isn't unfeasible, it doesn't matter, I think he'd have been an also-ran in that race.


A photo for 2nd, he'd be 40/1 like Fiddlerontheroof..... fair enough price.

[Carnage at Taunton]

You're on the wind up surely.

"only beaten" 6.5L, that's plenty to be beaten.... by a horse that IMO wasn't near his best.

I was being polite saying 2nd, but the point was that even if he had finished second, which isn't unfeasible, it doesn't matter, I think he'd have been an also-ran in that race.


A photo for 2nd, he'd be 40/1 like Fiddlerontheroof..... fair enough price.

The way both horses performed at the festival i would say CH would have won the RSA, especially as he is proving a better horse at the longer distance.
The point to point reference that Spectre made don’t exactly put CH being well beat by M.

[Rooster Booster]

You're on the wind up surely.

"only beaten" 6.5L, that's plenty to be beaten.... by a horse that IMO wasn't near his best.

I was being polite saying 2nd, but the point was that even if he had finished second, which isn't unfeasible, it doesn't matter, I think he'd have been an also-ran in that race.


A photo for 2nd, he'd be 40/1 like Fiddlerontheroof..... fair enough price.

No wind up I promise. I asked a genuine question. You chose to provide a polite answer when I would have preferred your real answer. Your polite answer had him finishing ahead of Fiddler but also well beaten and I just wanted clarification that’s all which you’ve now provided.