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2022 Albert Bartlett Novices Hurdle

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  • Finishing a few lengths of Cash Back whilst looking very green isn't the worst result in the world is it? Cash Back has an OR of 156 over fences. I guess that's why they have novice and maiden races, Willie.

    I wouldn't be put off by that run. You'd want him to settle better, but on Spring ground, I think I'd aim him here. Most 20's, SkyBet 25's, but 365 are 33's. As always 365 have pushed the price out on a hype horse following defeat to, I assume, minimise cash out. I'm happy to chance the 33's only having him in a small multiple otherwise.

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    • Take a look at Mahler Allstar in the 3m Maiden at Cork on Saturday. Ran well in the Cheltenham bumper after finishing 3rd behind Appreciate It (and Freedom to Dream) in a Christmas Leopardstown bumper.
      Clearly had issues as only had one run over hurdles in the good 2m 4f maiden at Leopardstown"s Christmas meeting in 2020. He finished 3rd behind Stattler (in front of Lifetime Ambition) running on having never been put into the race at any stage.
      Would expect him to win on Saturday and could see him being a live outsider for this.

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      • Originally posted by Exar Essay View Post
        Finishing a few lengths of Cash Back whilst looking very green isn't the worst result in the world is it? Cash Back has an OR of 156 over fences. I guess that's why they have novice and maiden races, Willie.

        I wouldn't be put off by that run. You'd want him to settle better, but on Spring ground, I think I'd aim him here. Most 20's, SkyBet 25's, but 365 are 33's. As always 365 have pushed the price out on a hype horse following defeat to, I assume, minimise cash out. I'm happy to chance the 33's only having him in a small multiple otherwise.
        completely agree, looked very green, didn't settle. I'd put that performance in the 140's and you'd like to think theres further improvement. Could look big 33's if running well at the DRF.
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        • Originally posted by Brooksie View Post

          completely agree, looked very green, didn't settle. I'd put that performance in the 140's and you'd like to think theres further improvement. Could look big 33's if running well at the DRF.
          140’s is ambitious isn’t it? Been beaten 6 lengths receiving 9lbs by a 141 hurdler.

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          • extrmely ambitious if you think Cash back is 15lbs worse for jumping a hurdle
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            • Originally posted by Brooksie View Post
              extrmely ambitious if you think Cash back is 15lbs worse for jumping a hurdle
              That is what he was rated and he did not justify any higher rating. It should also be.noted that Cash Back's besr form has been on better ground and over 2 miles.Would be hard to rate that performance higher than mid 120's at best on face value
              Last edited by Bayoffreedom; 6 January 2022, 03:51 PM.

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              • Originally posted by Bayoffreedom View Post

                That is what he was rated and he did not jusrify any higher rating. It should also be.noted that Cash Back's besr form has been on better ground and over 2 miles.Would be hard to rate that performance higher than mid 120's at best on face value
                Ah I see, in which case we probably need to adjust every horses rating that ran in behind Champ the other day over hurdles...

                Cash Back ran 3 times over hurdles before going chasing. are you suggesting 141 was his absolute limit, did you see enough to assume that?

                120's when Uhtred 91 lengths back in 3rd rated 133 is interesting..
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                • Originally posted by Brooksie View Post

                  120's when Uhtred 91 lengths back in 3rd rated 133 is interesting..
                  That's just silly if you think Uhtred has ran to form and being beaten 91 lengths

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                  • Originally posted by darlojim View Post

                    That's just silly if you think Uhtred has ran to form and being beaten 91 lengths
                    if I thought he ran to form and was beat 91 lengths I wouldn't have CG running in the low 140's

                    I'm just highlighting there was a 133 rated horse beat out of sight with a 156 rated chaser just ahead. Uhtred probably hated the ground, but still well beat.
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                    • Originally posted by Brooksie View Post

                      Ah I see, in which case we probably need to adjust every horses rating that ran in behind Champ the other day over hurdles...

                      Cash Back ran 3 times over hurdles before going chasing. are you suggesting 141 was his absolute limit, did you see enough to assume that?

                      120's when Uhtred 91 lengths back in 3rd rated 133 is interesting..
                      He actually ran 5 times ove hurdles and,no, I'm not suggesting it was his limit; jusf that if was what he achieved and horses tend not to improve so much over hurdles after running over fences for 2 years
                      Last edited by Bayoffreedom; 6 January 2022, 04:22 PM.

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                      • Originally posted by Bayoffreedom View Post

                        That is what he was rated and he did not justify any higher rating. It should also be.noted that Cash Back's besr form has been on better ground and over 2 miles.Would be hard to rate that performance higher than mid 120's at best on face value
                        If Cash back ran in a hcp hurdle in the uk its incredibly unlikely they let him run off anywhere near his irish hurdle mark they would nearly always take that chase rating into account in some form

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                        • Just look it literally then, if he was a novice hurdler..cash back wouldnt win a ballymore or a bartlett based on that run today so the form is crap, and the nag in 2nd today was crap..regardless of ratings and all that technical stuff

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                          • A bit depressing watching Classic Getaway there wasn't it. You wait 8 months and then "Oh". Interesting reading the opposing points raised above, how peoples ratings can be 20 lbs apart. Racing eh Dare I say the reality is probably somewhere in between? Can't have him as the winner of the Spud race after that though. Having said that, as a backer I may not cash out for now. See where he gets entered up, will probably tell us where Willie thinks he's at.
                            Last edited by The Tank; 6 January 2022, 06:59 PM.

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                            • The way he pulled through the first third of the race there is no way in my mind that will be ironed out enough for him to be competitive here.

                              Even if he had won I would still be worried and think he needs a shorter trip in order to be able to settle

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                              • As it's a horse that seems so important to the Forum, a quick note that PP/Betfair have just cut Journey For Me from 8-1 to 7-1, leaving Skybet at a standout 9-1. Encouraging!

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