2022 Triumph Hurdle

[That Horse]

….they haven’t cut him, still 50-1 NRNB.

If you go to add him, the price changes and also, my cash out has almost doubled

[Lobos]

Would need another run I think

Of course yes. Doh !!!

[Kevloaf]

For me, all Icare Allen has done today is given the Vauban, Fil D'Or form line a boost. I cashed him out and no interest in re-backing him for this race.

He's beaten a load of likely lowly rated Boodles runner today. He was entitled to win like that, IMO.

If he were to end up in the Boodles he could be interesting but probably unlikely now as his rating will be high enough after that, oh and Willie has the 'dark horse' sitting at the head of the betting.

At 50/1 you should have re-backed him.

No-one is going to disagree he's a form boost for the ones at the top of the market, but the price was just wrong.

[Lobos]

We have two or three very good Irish horses so it’s fair to say that, but we are talking about Juveniles here that improve and whilst I do think an Irish horse will win, at the same time I would not be dismissing today’s first two home too easily.

Absolutely. KS unbeaten in 5. Juveniles that do that and go to the Triumph win.

[Quevega]

Yep
they are juveniles
A lot can improve for the circumstances of the triumph and way race gets run etc

[Carnage at Taunton]

Yep
they are juveniles
A lot can improve for the circumstances of the triumph and way race gets run etc

I think connections of Teddy Blue will be relishing a fast paced race after watching that today.
No idea if he’s good enough to figure but I do think the original call at 55 was a good one, now I’ve seen that, and thinking how the Triumph is likely to be run

Should add, was 50 original call, but boosted to 55

[ComplyOrDie]

At 50/1 you should have re-backed him.

No-one is going to disagree he's a form boost for the ones at the top of the market, but the price was just wrong.

I'm not bothered I didn't, if I'm being honest.

He's held by at least three (Vauban, Fil Dor & Il EtaitTemps), from his last run, that's not taking into account Pied Piper and potentially Knight Salute as well.

[FinalFurlong91]

Yep
they are juveniles
A lot can improve for the circumstances of the triumph and way race gets run etc

What's going to make the running in the triumph?

Don't see many front runners

[isitmarchyet]

Icare Allen definitely heading to Cheltenham, but no confirmation on target:

"He did it well, he jumped better. He just was a lot better than he was at Christmas.

"We'll roll on - we haven't decided where we are going to go. He'll go across the water, he's in the Boodles and he is in the Triumph but we haven't made up our minds yet."

https://www.irishracing.com/news?hea...in&prid=229684

[Kevloaf]

I'm not bothered I didn't, if I'm being honest.

He's held by at least three (Vauban, Fil Dor & Il EtaitTemps), from his last run, that's not taking into account Pied Piper and potentially Knight Salute as well.

You know I love you....

So I'm going to be honest....

You're comment above surprises me, as this is what you've backed so far...

Triumph:

Vauban 25/1 E/W
Pied Piper 16/1 E/W
Fil Dor 3/1 NRNB
Vadaly 40/1 E/W NRNB
Il Etait Temps 50/1 E/W AP & 16/1 E/W NRNB
Doctor Parnassus 16/1 E/W NRNB
Pleasant Man 28/1 E/W NRNB
Rubaud 44.82/1 E/W NRNB
Petit Tonnerre 50/1 E/W NRNB
The Famous Five 100/1 E/W NRNB
Porticello 33/1 (Free Bet)
Vauban 25/1 (Free Bet)
Ben Siegel 25/1 (Free Bet)

If you hadn't cashed him, would have you watched that race and considered him a bad bet at 50/1? Really?

For me, that takes the 5th a bit too literally.... and even so, you're happy with Vadaly who he beat in the same race, when she's 40/1 and he's just thrashed her?

That opinion ignores that he may improve, he's with Willie, he's just won on the bridle against handicappers (which means he's surely at least better than a handicapper) ..... he only got beat 9L as well, not like he was absolutely destroyed?

He's got a place chance... ?


For me, it's confirmation bias on your part that you made the right decision cashing him out.... in my opinion, I don't think you did... as you could have just cashed for profit...and you love profit



Probably end up in the Boodles now anyway

[Lobos]

See if Iceo boosts the Pied Piper form here

A very firm No !

The horse that finished 2nd to PP at Cheltenham finished a lot further behind KS in the Adonis and KS was giving him weight. The PP form and that of Vauban taken a hit today without a doubt.

[darlojim]

See if Iceo boosts the Pied Piper form here

A very firm No !

The horse that finished 2nd to PP at Cheltenham finished a lot further behind KS in the Adonis and KS was giving him weight. The PP form and that of Vauban taken a hit today without a doubt.

Bit of a stretch to say Vauban's form has taken a hit though PP and onto Iceo?

Icare Allen has just franked the form of Vauban.

[FinalFurlong91]

Iceo hasn't run any kind of race the last twice

Not a reliable yardstick to be comparing formlines

[Kevloaf]

See if Iceo boosts the Pied Piper form here

A very firm No !

The horse that finished 2nd to PP at Cheltenham finished a lot further behind KS in the Adonis and KS was giving him weight. The PP form and that of Vauban taken a hit today without a doubt.

The form of Vauban has taken a hit without a doubt?

Time for me to log off again.

[Lobos]

The form of Vauban has taken a hit without a doubt?

Time for me to log off again.

Bye. See you tomorrow.