2022 Triumph Hurdle

[Craigy14]

Looking at this race, if Fil Dor is Elliotts best and Pied Piper runs this weekend, I’d say that’s a big pointer to the Boodles for him. Easily fit in another run mid Feb before the 15th March.

May have to take the chance pre NRNB if he runs this weekend

I like others missed the Fil Dor price having went with Iberique early doors at a big price. He looks good but is a big old unit, something with a little turn of foot could do him but he looks like he’ll relish the hill. Don’t need to say too much about Vauban than what’s already been covered, him and Icare will be mullins best chances imo.

Of the rest (mainly UK), I think Porticello sort of is of the mould of Fil Dor although a much worse jumper, but looks like he’ll relish the hill, just not the obstacles getting him up there. Knight Saulte has done nothing wrong and is maybe being a little overlooked, 4/4, course form and has had a nice break since his last run, 1 more to put him spot on for March. Iceo of Nicholls, will he run would be the question mark so wouldn’t back without NRNB but looked good at Kempton on debut.

Couple others down the betting to keep an eye on Ebasari for Elliott depending where he runs next, also entered in the same race as Pied Piper this weekend. Possibly Interne De Sivola worth keeping a close eye on too, his third being boosted and he also won next time out nicely.

[Moby123]

The market is wide open at the moment....some big prices and the fav is decent but doesn't look bombproof by any means.
We have a horse with a relatively modest pre-Triumph RPR of 140 as clear favourite.
Spring Hurdle will be very informative

[Lobos]

Agree with Craigy 14 that Knights Salute has been overlooked. What price would he be if trained by Gordon or Mullins ?? Adonis next for him.

[Benjy23]

Agree with Craigy 14 that Knights Salute has been overlooked. What price would he be if trained by Gordon or Mullins ?? Adonis next for him.

Looks speedy doesn't he so Adonis should be ideal race. Be looking for him to confirm he's best of the UK based there.

There's a real chance the Irish are much better though isn't there.


Few of us have 80/1 on him though, from the win today section, so I'm hopeful.

[Lobos]

There's a real chance the Irish are much better though isn't there.

Impossible to say until they meet. The English do have a decent record in the Triumph over the years.

[Bumble]

I've took a chance on Ebasari at 22s. Entered in the Grade 1 at DRF, and was quite impressed he managed to turn over an older horse in Adamantly Chosen on his first ever run over hurdles, who has decent form in the book.

If anyone wants to get Ebasari on side, whilst best price on oddschecker is 22/1, you can still get 33s with William Hill (close to 37/1 with boost).

[Stormez]

At a guess I would say No. Andy Holding usually their main guy. But honestly don't know much about the Architect.

He does put up a lot of winners to be fair, and well up in terms of pts

[Benjy23]

There's a real chance the Irish are much better though isn't there.

Impossible to say until they meet. The English do have a decent record in the Triumph over the years.

Well yea, you could say it's impossible to tell until they meet with all the novice races and some of the open ones as well!

Was just a gut feel on visuals. English juveniles all seen to be finishing in a bunch quite regularly.

Irish won 6 of the last 10 in the triumph I think. So not a bad record for either.

[charlie]

Pied Piper not declared for this weekend, so looks like all roads lead to DRF and a clash with stable mate FD, and a rematch with Vauban. Great race if they all line up

[Lobos]

Pied Piper not declared for this weekend, so looks like all roads lead to DRF and a clash with stable mate FD, and a rematch with Vauban. Great race if they all line up

FD going straight to Cheltenham the last I heard??

[Run4Home]

Would assume the same. PP go to dublin and Fil straight to Chelt

[Unexposed]

Adding my two penneth on the Pied Piper and Vauban debate:

Pied Piper, despite presumably having fitness on his side from the flat campaign, raced very keenly for the first 2 furlongs (more so than Vauban). I think a stronger run race which we will surely get on better ground will help him settle better.

Swinging round the bend, Pied Piper was by travelling the best, Vauban was rousted along to keep up. He did eventually catch up, but how much of this was down to his own pace and how much was this down to Pied Piper's early exertions? Pied Piper has proven stamina and judging by how they both travelled around the bend, arguably has more pace. Vauban missed the last and i actually think he may have won had he not done so.

I like how far both came clear and the third has subsequently finished second in a decent enough contest.

I'm siding with Pied Piper, i believe there are enough reasons to think he will uphold the form against Vauban. A strong run race, on good to soft ground looks to be ideal and I can see his flat stamina standing him in good stead up the hill.

Fil Dor's form looks questionable to me and, like others, i'm always a little sceptical of the strength of early season form. The same applies for Icare Allen, doesn't look to have beaten much. I can't have any of the British trained horses winning.

[ComplyOrDie]

Swinging round the bend, Pied Piper was by travelling the best, Vauban was rousted along to keep up. He did eventually catch up, but how much of this was down to his own pace and how much was this down to Pied Piper's early exertions? Pied Piper has proven stamina and judging by how they both travelled around the bend, arguably has more pace. Vauban missed the last and i actually think he may have won had he not done so.

I like how far both came clear and the third has subsequently finished second in a decent enough contest.

I'm siding with Pied Piper, i believe there are enough reasons to think he will uphold the form against Vauban. A strong run race, on good to soft ground looks to be ideal and I can see his flat stamina standing him in good stead up the hill.

On their flat races it is Vauban who is more stamina laden, rather than Pied Piper. Pied Piper had been beat 7 times between 1m3f & 1m6f but has won over 1m2f. Vauban was/is less exposed, but had won twice, once over 1m3f and once over 1m4. So I'd side with Vauban on the stamina side of things, and likely that a flatter track like Punchestown would have suited a horse like Pied Piper over Vauban.

I'll be surprised if Vauban isn't able to turn the form around on a stiffer track.

[Benjy23]

Did see Elliot saying how Pied Piper would come on loads for the run... Which was why I originally questioned if that form would actually be reversed. Appreciate on the recency of their flat form he'd have the fitness edge but when they meet again I'd expect them to end up pretty close to each other again.

Still thinking about getting PP onside for the Triumph but connections having fav is the only reason I haven't yet. Might do a win today & triumph bet if he runs DRF.

[Kotkijet]

Posted in juvenile hurdlers thread but will repost here strictly as a "for what it's worth" type deal. Will be concentrating on weekend's action so if I do not reply to feedback/criticism etc, my ignorance is nothing personal

These thoughts are very much brief, arbitrary, and have not been subject to the same level of rigour usually applied to general profiles or previews. Nevertheless...

Ireland;-
Fil Dor has the best form in the book, but I am not sure how much further he is going to improve. He obviously jumps as well as you would like from a high class juvenile, but he strikes me more a chasing type than a fast and ready-made hurdler. Furthermore, given how slow his Leopardstown effort was in the early stages, one would have liked to have seen Fil Dor complete the final couple of furlongs in a quicker time. Granted he was not asked for his all, and Sir Gerhard is a very good prospect, but the latter didn't even come off the bridle. I am probably nit-picking, and I do not find Fil Dor's place at the head of the Triumph market to be disagreeable. However, by the same token, I do not think he is the good thing that the prices suggest.

Vauban was given a very strong write-up in an earlier piece and his hurdling debut at Punchestown has only strengthened my enthusiasm. Learned as he jumped and lost the race only due to the unfortunate manner in which the paths were chosen in the straight. Form and finishing time absolutely hold up and he has the scope to leave this performance a long way behind. Very much my idea of Ireland's biggest threat.

However, I do not think that the Irish are a league above the home contingent at this stage. Porticello's win at Chepstow is the strongest individual piece of form, but Knight Salute had his measure at Doncaster and while the former perhaps has more scope for improvement, Knight Salute has course form, versatility for pace and ground conditions, and is endowed with fantastic resolve.

Iceo looked good at Kempton but the impression is that his rivals got stuck in the mud. Will need another outing to get a better idea of his potential. Lunar Power is held by Fil Dor, Pied Piper has less scope than Vauban, and nothing else looks like a Triumph winner.

Again, all very arbitrary and nothing I will hold myself to until I have done a comprehensive assessment.