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365 still taking bets on ITW. Takes the piss.
If there still willing to take cash for it it should have cash out.Last edited by somer1; 16 January 2022, 10:16 AM.Comment
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The Tide Turns 50/1, could be worth getting on side for this race, before he runs tomorrow.
He has been extremely well backed ahead of his hurdles debut in the first at Punchestown.
I remember Gordon saying, after one of Fil Dors wins, that they had some nice ones at home, but besides Fil Dor & Pied Piper, who are under the same ownership anyway, we haven't seen much else and given the market support for The Tide Turns tomorrow, may we end up seeing one of these tomorrow? It's surely possible.
It will take a fair performance from him against more experienced rivals.
His sire has already produced both Allmankind & Tritonic who were both smart juveniles, so there's a possibility that level of progeny could be continued here.
Given it is his hurdles debut with only 8 weeks until the festival I'd say there is next to no chance they'll be able to run him 3 times to achieve a handicap mark for the Boodles, so the Triumph looks the obvious play, provided he is actually good enough, which we'll know more about, tomorrow.Comment
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Depending upon which race he said it after he has Ebasari too (Aga Khan bred)Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View PostComment
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Ah yeah, good shout, forgot about this one, and had this one in my notebook tooOriginally posted by Rooster Booster View Post
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That’s the one I was keeping an eye on. Ran well to beat WPMs horse on debut over obstacles. He did say he had 1 or 2 others to come out and as you, I can’t remember if the timing was pre or post Pied Piper running.Originally posted by Rooster Booster View PostComment
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Good shout this - whacked him in a roll up with GDC ahead of today & took 50s for the Triumph too... did that with relative ease.Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View PostComment
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Yeah, will need to improve a fair bit, but nice to have onside at a decent price. Still have a feeling the Pied Piper/Vauban form may turn out to be the best of it all, and HMS Seahorse done it no harm today, with that run.Originally posted by MadeinJapan View PostComment
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Yep that's what I took from it. (Maybe pocket talking bias though from me) could argue HMS seahorse came on from its run but PP and Vauban destroyed it and everyone else last time so taking that as a huge positiveOriginally posted by ComplyOrDie View PostComment
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Everyone seems sure Vauban beats Pied Piper if/when they meet again? Or have most people covered both of them.
Same connections as the fav holding PP price up a bit I suspect. Unless people think he really could go Boodles?Comment
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I prefer Vauban but only because of the (very minor) connections concern and that PP may go to the boodles (speculation only). Although highly rated, it was only last year that Gordon was toying with sending Quilixios to the boodles when rated 144 because of his training Zanahiyr too.Originally posted by Benjy23 View Post
I have both covered and think they offer very good value at current prices. On what I've seen, and discounting ITW given the injury, I'd have them both in second favouritism behind Fil Dor. Others with more knowledge than me seem to think Fil Dor might struggle on anything with 'good' in the going so even more value on that basis.Comment
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I doubt Pied Piper would be given 2 runs between now and the festival.Originally posted by Benjy23 View Post
For all we know Fil Dor could go Boodles if Pied Piper appears the better of the 2. He has had 3 runs and likely a 4th run, Elliott looked as though he was contemplating sending Quilixious to the Boodles before moving stables so it could be an option.
Vauban seems to be very highly thought of and looking at the Spring Juvenile the bookies are predicting a reverse in the from with Pied Piper, but I’d say it’s very close between the 2 on what we know.Comment
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Jack Kennedy said on RTV this afternoon that The Tide Turns and Pied Piper are very similar horses, with Fil Dor a step above.Comment
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The way fil dor has been campaigned strongly suggests he's Gordon's bestComment
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