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2022 Mares Novices Hurdle

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  • #31
    This is what I wrote in my diary:
    • Four of Willie Mullins winners were OR over 140 (141, 144, 147, and 145), Elegantine the exception. He didn't have a 140+ runner last year and didn't win it.
    • Willie also isn't getting a free run buying the best mares anymore.
    • Both Concertista and Telmesomethinggirl were 3rd in the Mares Handicap Hurdle at the DRF.
    • In the last three seasons there have been huge place payouts from top stables 20/1 Mullins, 22/1 De Bromhead, 25/1 Elliott, 25/1, 40/1 Elliott, 50/1, and 66/1 Mullins, plus Elegantine du Seuil winning at 66/1 for Mullins. Definitely an angle for backing outsider from the big 3, plus they'll likely have the winner.
    • 2 from 6 were secon season novices from the Mullins stable.
    And this is what I wrote about my approach to the race:

    Mullins has dominated, but De Bromhead has won and also placed multiple times, and Elliott has also had multiple placers. Just back their's blind, Also consider Dan Skelton is on the up and seems to be buying good novice mares for bumpers and hurdles. Just focus on those four trainers and get there's in the book. Those horses not needed, not good enough, or likely to go elsewhere can be cashed out or laid later. Also consider Mullins may go mob handed this year to win the race back. If any horse from the big stables posts 145 and above increase stakes, and consider decreasing stakes elsewhere. Don't keep horses for the sake of it, and move them out quickly.

    I think Willie is essentially facing increased competition to buy the best mares, and he won't be as dominant moving forward. That said I think he will be determined to win this again this season and may go mob-handed. He seems to have more potential mares for this than ever before. Gypsy Island aside, who wants watching given her ability and problems, I can't see this race falling outside of the four stables I mentioned. And given the each way prices that have won and placed in the last few seasons it's easy to just back all the players from the stables mentioned and adjust as the season unfolds.
    Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.

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    • #32
      Ashroe Diamond hasn't been mentioned here yet, I think she looks decent from the bumpers.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Zachx02 View Post
        Ashroe Diamond hasn't been mentioned here yet, I think she looks decent from the bumpers.
        She’s my current number one but I usually leave this race alone.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Zachx02 View Post
          Ashroe Diamond hasn't been mentioned here yet, I think she looks decent from the bumpers.
          Speaking of decent from the bumpers, Mullins Nikini absolutely sluiced in on her flat debut. Would love to see them stick her over hurdles.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by charlie View Post

            Speaking of decent from the bumpers, Mullins Nikini absolutely sluiced in on her flat debut. Would love to see them stick her over hurdles.
            She looked really good.
            "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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            • #36
              I was listening to an interview with a work rider
              ​​​who works for Nicky Henderson (can't remember his name) and looks after I am Maximus and Queens River. He said they are both working very well. Not much to go on but positive news.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by charlie View Post

                Speaking of decent from the bumpers, Mullins Nikini absolutely sluiced in on her flat debut. Would love to see them stick her over hurdles.
                She only got an RPR of 99 for that which doesn't put her in range. The only reason to back her is for a trading opportunity, not because she's a likely winner. She will probably improve from her debut, but it is a very low base, and not a base that a usual winner would come from, and definitely not one of Willie's.

                Here's the stats I use in the Bumper as a guideline from my diary. I've highlighted the one's that are relevant to her so far:
                • Horses from Leopardstown DRF, Fairyhouse, and Newbury bumpers have dominated
                • 5 and 6 year old win this. Cue Card last 4 year old in 2010. Trend likely to continue but perhaps consider French breds
                • Discount anything beaten last time
                • Will have won in a field of 11 or more at some stage in the season
                • 14 of the last 15 had never finished worse than 2nd. If not all 1's and 2's against their name, the other run should have been before June the previous year
                • Mares overperform their numbers. 2 from the last 5 winners, plus places. 7lb allowance is useful as we've seen in other races
                • Ratings have generally been a decent guide. Anything high 120's (127+ on debut), If not rated highly already (high 120's and unexposed or already in the 130's by the Festival), has only had one run
                • Mullins (3 from 5, and 11 from 24) and Elliott (2 from 5) are dominating
                • Only 2 from 10 UK winners but both were already RPR rated in the 130's. Newbury Bumper is the one to watch, but consider the two early season Cheltenham bumpers
                • Skelton is starting to have some impact with both Third Time Luckki and Elle Est Belle running big races in the last two seasons
                Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Spectre View Post

                  She only got an RPR of 99 for that which doesn't put her in range. The only reason to back her is for a trading opportunity, not because she's a likely winner. She will probably improve from her debut, but it is a very low base, and not a base that a usual winner would come from, and definitely not one of Willie's.
                  Re bumper or this?

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                  • #39
                    Good point. The Bumper Charlie. I really should read the title on the thread before I post!

                    If she switches to hurdles, a Willie Mares Novice Hurdle winner would usually hit a 140 or above during the season.
                    Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.

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                    • #40
                      Annie G (Henry) and Party Central (Gords) both declared for Friday's G3 MNH at Down Royal. Henry expecting AG to put her disappointing run last time behind her.

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                      • #41
                        The Mares Novice is one of those races where the winner often gets beaten once or twice in the season. In the six renewals only Limini and Laurina went through the season unbeaten.
                        Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.

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                        • #42
                          Anything thoughts on the down royal mares race friday gents?

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by OverTheLast View Post
                            Anything thoughts on the down royal mares race friday gents?
                            For me, personally it’s a race to watch, not bet in, and Party Central and Glan provide different strands of the Grangee form, that I am invested in.
                            "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by OverTheLast View Post
                              Anything thoughts on the down royal mares race friday gents?
                              I'm willing to give Annie G another chance. That wasn't her form last time out. She's better than that. The fact that Henry trusts her in this race makes me think he feels the same.

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                              • #45
                                Personally think Party Central has to be took on at 2/1.

                                Annie G and Purple Mountain both could be played at 11/2 v the fav - on a line through ‘The Names Jock’ Mullins horse has the beating of Glan, not convinced that a drop back in trip is what Party Central wants

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