2022 Stayers Hurdle

[Carnage at Taunton]

Time to get him onside then

Most likely winner imo

I’m ok in that regard. But yes makes sense as agree most likely winner

[Kevloaf]

Why is Champ a more likely winner than Klassical Dream, or Flooring Porter?

[FinalFurlong91]

Why is Champ a more likely winner than Klassical Dream, or Flooring Porter?

Because imo he's the better horse

[Kevloaf]

Because imo he's the better horse

Right, I'm just asking why though, what reasons make you think that? What has made you form the opinion that he's a better horse than Klassical Dream and/or Flooring Porter?


His beating of Allaho and Minella Indo in the RSA?

His win over hurdles beating Thyme Hill and Paisley Park?



I'm not disagreeing with your opinion at all, they're excellent strings to his bow. I'm just asking - as the 'time to get him onside' is the bit I'm questioning... as I haven't, so I'm wanting to be convinced

[FinalFurlong91]

Right, I'm just asking why though, what reasons make you think that? What has made you form the opinion that he's a better horse than Klassical Dream and/or Flooring Porter?


His beating of Allaho and Minella Indo in the RSA?

His win over hurdles beating Thyme Hill and Paisley Park?



I'm not disagreeing with your opinion at all, they're excellent strings to his bow. I'm just asking - as the 'time to get him onside' is the bit I'm questioning... as I haven't, so I'm wanting to be convinced

Exactly those two pieces of form

Him winning the RSA despite jumping very poorly shows he has a very big engine

Then he's absolutely cantered all over the best British stayers on his seasonal reappearance

Id have him 2/1 on the day

He has a gold cup standard engine, he just cant jump a fence

a gold cup standard horse hasn't run in this race since thistlecrack has it?

[Ray]

Going back to the podcast the guys done on here i really dont think champ is a 170 hurdler which i think is what will be needed to win this from flooring porter or klassical dream, and that improvement aint coming at 10

[TigerRolllllll]

Going back to the podcast the guys done on here i really dont think champ is a 170 hurdler which i think is what will be needed to win this from flooring porter or klassical dream, and that improvement aint coming at 10

Very few runs and new distance, so its possible....and he has run that chasing

Also possible he could win with high 160s......only Klassical likely to run higher (who is fragile and also has to prove it over the Old Course 3m)

[Ray]

I agree hes got to get there first, but i beleive flooring porter and him will run to high 160s aswell so will need to be a big run from champ who is massively inconsistent..although hurdles seems to be the way forward i just think it could potentially be too late in the day

[Our_Duke]

Exactly those two pieces of form

Him winning the RSA despite jumping very poorly shows he has a very big engine

Then he's absolutely cantered all over the best British stayers on his seasonal reappearance

Id have him 2/1 on the day

He has a gold cup standard engine, he just cant jump a fence

a gold cup standard horse hasn't run in this race since thistlecrack has it?

I don't exactly trust the horse (and don't necessarily think he's an an ante post bet) but I do agree with this. There's plenty of reason to think he can perform better over hurdles than fences given his jumping. And his chase form is still top draw (if very inconsistent - but that RSA couldn't have worked out better). He's raced twice over 3 miles over hurdles, winning a grade 1 Novice Hurdle and grade 1 in open company. He's won both very cosily and it could just be that he's that good. The age is the only real thing making me question him.

[FinalFurlong91]

Hes not massively inconsistent at all

Hes very consistent

hes run one bad race in his life and that was when he couldn't get off the ground in the gold cup

and im not even a big fan, this is the first time iv ever actually backed him

[Our_Duke]

Hes not massively inconsistent at all

Hes very consistent

hes run one bad race in his life and that was when he couldn't get off the ground in the gold cup

and im not even a big fan, this is the first time iv ever actually backed him

Maybe I was a touch harsh, but I did say specifically his chase form, and he's 3/6 due to poor jumping and injury issues (I believe that was the reason for the gold cup). So when I say I don't exactly trust him, I'm referring to that

[Ray]

Hes not massively inconsistent at all

Hes very consistent

hes run one bad race in his life and that was when he couldn't get off the ground in the gold cup

and im not even a big fan, this is the first time iv ever actually backed him

Yeah maybe the wrong thing to say, but cheltenham runs are 50/50 aint they fell in the dipper and pulled up in the gold cup but then 2nd in the ballymore and won the rsa so its hard to say he can do it with any confidence is probably what i meant

[Quevega]

Hes not massively inconsistent at all

Hes very consistent

hes run one bad race in his life and that was when he couldn't get off the ground in the gold cup

and im not even a big fan, this is the first time iv ever actually backed him

His best piece of form IMO that gives him a chance in this race is his last run. But the problem with that is the 2 Irish horses form is probably stronger on balance.
I thought he was flattered in the RSA and they stopped in front. So the subsequent exploits of those two aren't as much of an influence on me.
Not sure I like his Ballymore run either.
And the age 10 bit.
But he cannot be ruled out I reckon and at the right price he'd get backed, but he's not the right price ATM. And if he goes favourite and the other 2 are still in it then he's a shit price and layable.

[FinalFurlong91]

Yeah maybe the wrong thing to say, but cheltenham runs are 50/50 aint they fell in the dipper and pulled up in the gold cup but then 2nd in the ballymore and won the rsa so its hard to say he can do it with any confidence is probably what i meant

2 of those were due to jumping issues over fences not his ability

He was going to win the dipper by miles and his gold cup never got started

and this race isn't over fences

if any horses can't be trusted its the two absolute nut jobs klassical dream and flooring porter who both have a screw loose

KD bolted at the start completely against the jockeys will the other day, is that a horse who can be trusted?

Flooring porter runs and jumps as straight as me after 10 pints

They very clearly have their own ideas about the game

I'm on FP as well but it wouldnt surprise me at all if at some point he just throws the towel in

[Stormez]

2 of those were due to jumping issues over fences not his ability

He was going to win the dipper by miles and his gold cup never got started

and this race isn't over fences

if any horses can't be trusted its the two absolute nut jobs klassical dream and flooring porter who both have a screw loose

KD bolted at the start completely against the jockeys will the other day, is that a horse who can be trusted?

Flooring porter runs and jumps as straight as me after 10 pints

They very clearly have their own ideas about the game

I'm on FP as well but it wouldnt surprise me at all if at some point he just throws the towel in

Flooring Porter might not be the most sane, but I don’t think you could ever accuse him of not being genuine.