2022 Stayers Hurdle

[FinalFurlong91]

Ahh right. Maybe Buzz will win by default then !

Il definitely be backing thyme hill for the long walk if buzz is fav

[Lobos]

Il definitely be backing thyme hill for the long walk if buzz is fav

I can't have TH at all after his French debacle. He was a dead horse a long way out. Ruined.

[Benjy23]

Think I prefer the price on Buzz than Klassical Dream to be honest, horrible ante post proposition that one. Would want something like 2/1 on him showing up!

Agree that Buzz looks to have too much pace to be a Stayers hurdler but I'd also say 2m 2f on the flat takes a lot of staying... So I've got a bit of faith in him getting 3m over hurdles. Looking forward to seeing him try.

Agree with a few that Abacadabras is the value play though. Another that's never been beyond two and half but has got 'kept on' in the comments both tries over that trip. Also breeding gives him chance of staying I'd have thought. Only race he's got a chance in at the festival so hopefully they go for it, rather than wait for Aintree.

Solwhit, More of That and Nichols Canyon(?) all fairly recent winners who from memory hadn't won over 3m before the big day. It's not impossible...

Hello by the way.

[FinalFurlong91]

I can't have TH at all after his French debacle. He was a dead horse a long way out. Ruined.

He clearly hated the french hurdles, complete line though it for me

[Lobos]

He clearly hated the french hurdles, complete line though it for me

Hated the ground, travelling, the course and was not fit to take on the best of the French first time up. A complete cocktail from hell.

[Mighty]

Hated the ground, travelling, the course and was not fit to take on the best of the French first time up. A complete cocktail from hell.

Agree with that, but the race was a complete slog - just questioning how much that might have affected him for the rest of the season. Understand why he was sent over for the prize money, but it just seemed a crazy decision even before the race given his lack of race prep and the ground.

[Lobos]

Totally agree Mighty. Silly decision that I'm sure they massively regret now.

[Nathaniel99999]

I'm surprised Commander of Fleet is still 33/1 for this, really think the horse could be a big improver this season. Horses infront of the betting are either going to other races or in my opinion COF is better than the majority. No idea why its as big as 33/1 still. Klassical Dream is too short for this I think, Thyme Hill I've done on 2 occasions but after seeing that French run its put me off. Buzz in my opinion looks a player but I think the horse will come up short I think in this. I don't know what it is but I just think for this race Buzz won't win plus I can't take it at the price what it is now. Horses like Thomas Darby, Zanahiyr, Ronald pump Vanilier, Paisley park, Stattler I really don't understand why these horses are infront of COF in the betting since I think COF has had better prep and was so good last time under top weight I just think he has a good outside chance.

[MadeinJapan]

I'm surprised Commander of Fleet is still 33/1 for this, really think the horse could be a big improver this season. Horses infront of the betting are either going to other races or in my opinion COF is better than the majority. No idea why its as big as 33/1 still. Klassical Dream is too short for this I think, Thyme Hill I've done on 2 occasions but after seeing that French run its put me off. Buzz in my opinion looks a player but I think the horse will come up short I think in this. I don't know what it is but I just think for this race Buzz won't win plus I can't take it at the price what it is now. Horses like Thomas Darby, Zanahiyr, Ronald pump Vanilier, Paisley park, Stattler I really don't understand why these horses are infront of COF in the betting since I think COF has had better prep and was so good last time under top weight I just think he has a good outside chance.

110% agree with all of this & glad someone else is in the Commander of Fleet camp.
I think he’s still that price as there hasn’t been a huge amount of noise from Elliott on him (and with a gob the size that bloke has, that’s surprising). I think he was minding him back carefully after having being off for so long with a stint at the Pertemps perhaps on the radar.
The horse’s performance last 2 races (he was well in contention when fell previous) I reckon has surprised Elliott in that he retains all of the ability he was so much touted for when finishing 2nd in the Bartlett in 2019. Back then, he was one of the most talked about in the yard.
He’s ahead of the likes of Dallas Des Pictons in my opinion & will definitely stay the trip for Gigginstown unlike Abacadabras who has question marks over that despite being the “flashier” animal of the two.
I’ve backed Commander of Fleet outright for this 33s, have him any race 16s (before his last win, after the fall), have backed the double for Leopardstown & Stayers at 100/1 that Eggs put up and have him in a couple of roll ups. He’s still only a 7yo too and lightly raced because of his injury, big player for me in this at decent odds…

[Nathaniel99999]

110% agree with all of this & glad someone else is in the Commander of Fleet camp.
I think he’s still that price as there hasn’t been a huge amount of noise from Elliott on him (and with a gob the size that bloke has, that’s surprising). I think he was minding him back carefully after having being off for so long with a stint at the Pertemps perhaps on the radar.
The horse’s performance last 2 races (he was well in contention when fell previous) I reckon has surprised Elliott in that he retains all of the ability he was so much touted for when finishing 2nd in the Bartlett in 2019. Back then, he was one of the most talked about in the yard.
He’s ahead of the likes of Dallas Des Pictons in my opinion & will definitely stay the trip for Gigginstown unlike Abacadabras who has question marks over that despite being the “flashier” animal of the two.
I’ve backed Commander of Fleet outright for this 33s, have him any race 16s (before his last win, after the fall), have backed the double for Leopardstown & Stayers at 100/1 that Eggs put up and have him in a couple of roll ups. He’s still only a 7yo too and lightly raced because of his injury, big player for me in this at decent odds…

As you have mentioned that 100/1 offer I've put a fiver on that, can't believe thats 100/1 its crazy, I mean the horse is still 7 and I just think the horse is only going to improve. Also I looked at the time of the race COF won and it was 8 seconds faster than last years race which Flooring Porter won and this time COF was carrying top weight which Flooring Porter did not do. I don't know if its any point comparing times but it was similar ground same distance as its the same race they both ran. But if COF does win that race at Leopardstown I can see the odds halving or even being in single figures.

[Benjy23]

Even after the last race GE was talking about 'getting qualified for the Pertemps'. He'd have to run round in 6th in a qualifier and hope to come down a lb or two. Although they did run The Bosses Oscar last year off 151 in the Pertemps, and they've already got a claimer familiar with COF, so it's not a completely unreasonable target.

Would be more interesting than most here though. If he were to turn up in that race at Leoparstown over Christmas I might be tempted with that 100/1.

[Leman14]

Even after the last race GE was talking about 'getting qualified for the Pertemps'. He'd have to run round in 6th in a qualifier and hope to come down a lb or two. Although they did run The Bosses Oscar last year off 151 in the Pertemps, and they've already got a claimer familiar with COF, so it's not a completely unreasonable target.

Would be more interesting than most here though. If he were to turn up in that race at Leoparstown over Christmas I might be tempted with that 100/1.

Yep - just cos he is entered in the Xmas Hurdle, doesn't mean to say that he won't also have an entry in "THE" Pertemps Qualifier over Xmas and run there instead.

You'd want Davy "The Qualifier" Russell on his back.... coaxing him into 6th in the home straight, then put away for Cheltenham.

I've stuck half a point on the 100/1 special, to give "cover" to my 1pt @ 50's for the Pertemps.

[Lobos]

Guard Your Dreams showed battling attribute to come back and win the International today. Into 20's from 66's with B365. Relkeel on New Year's Day likely next if he comes out of the race well.

[DenmanSacre]

Guard Your Dreams showed battling attribute to come back and win the International today. Into 20's from 66's with B365. Relkeel on New Year's Day likely next if he comes out of the race well.

After the race NTD mentioned the Haydock Champion Hurdle trial.

[Lobos]

After the race NTD mentioned the Haydock Champion Hurdle trial.

Yep, a decent alternative.