2022 Stayers Hurdle

[Rooster Booster]

Aba out to 33s with pp for anyone interested

[opatcho]

Not for me… doesn’t suit race, fo they even bother with this race?

[Lobos]

Not for me… doesn’t suit race, fo they even bother with this race?

I'd not be hopeful. Aintree will be the main target for them.

[Nwfb89]

Cash out any latest exhibition bets if you can, gone wrong sadly

Bookmakers are way more on the ball this year with suspending cash outs/removing horses from the markets etc I'm finding hard to get out of any bets I want to offload, is this the same for everyone? Was sad to see what happened with LE, I was at leopardstown when he won at drf in his Nov hurdle season and always followed him since r.i.p latest exhibition.

[Odin]

Bookmakers are way more on the ball this year with suspending cash outs/removing horses from the markets etc I'm finding hard to get out of any bets I want to offload, is this the same for everyone? Was sad to see what happened with LE, I was at leopardstown when he won at drf in his Nov hurdle season and always followed him since r.i.p latest exhibition.

I wasn't able to get out of anything as I had no cashouts available but wanted to give the heads up in case anyone else had opportunity but sounds like most are in the same boat as you on this occasion.

Horrible to see any horse break down like that, but I know a lot of you had a soft spot for him for various reasons so sucks that little bit more. Its the unfortunate down side of the sport we love.

[Irish Rugby]

Surely that 33s on Aba is an over reaction, like Tellmesomethingirl was a few weeks back. Until we hear he is definitely not coming here. Aintree last year surely was because he fell early in the CH. All the talk was he would step up in trip.

[Craigy14]

I backed Abacadabras fairly early for this with a free bet but I’m sort of doubting if he’ll be good enough or if he’s a genuine stayer.

If you watch the Aintree race back he’s all out to hold on over 2m4f and buzz is finishing like a train. He cruises to the front and is the winner from the last. For me only one horse you’d want to back for the stayers watching that race imo. Add 4 furlongs on too it’ll suit buzz a lot more than Aba for me.

I don’t think you can make the excuse of being tired because buzz had only had one run less than Aba and one of Abas runs at Cheltenham he fell early so wasn’t really a race so to speak.

[Rooster Booster]

I backed Abacadabras fairly early for this with a free bet but I’m sort of doubting if he’ll be good enough or if he’s a genuine stayer.

If you watch the Aintree race back he’s all out to hold on over 2m4f and buzz is finishing like a train. He cruises to the front and is the winner from the last. For me only one horse you’d want to back for the stayers watching that race imo. Add 4 furlongs on too it’ll suit buzz a lot more than Aba for me.

I don’t think you can make the excuse of being tired because buzz had only had one run less than Aba and one of Abas runs at Cheltenham he fell early so wasn’t really a race so to speak.

Backers of Aba might want to see if they can hire a loose horse too (without one having to fall obviously)

[Saxon Warrior]

I backed Abacadabras fairly early for this with a free bet but I’m sort of doubting if he’ll be good enough or if he’s a genuine stayer.

If you watch the Aintree race back he’s all out to hold on over 2m4f and buzz is finishing like a train. He cruises to the front and is the winner from the last. For me only one horse you’d want to back for the stayers watching that race imo. Add 4 furlongs on too it’ll suit buzz a lot more than Aba for me.

I don’t think you can make the excuse of being tired because buzz had only had one run less than Aba and one of Abas runs at Cheltenham he fell early so wasn’t really a race so to speak.

That race today would make backers of Buzz and Flooring Porter smile.

We learned nothing about Aba, seemed like a complete schooling out the back and when he did move forward in the straight he seems to peter out too.

3M at Christmas will tell us whether he's a Stayers Hurdle horse or not. Flooring Porter should make it a test at the trip, and he ran his most impressive race of the season in that race last season.

Klassical's defection due to the fact he wasn't the same as his Punchestown self does raise real doubts for me about him.

One big run in two years and a history of not being ready to race isn't a Festival favourites background record that tempts me.

He probably won't be fav if Buzz wins at Ascot next time out.

[Spectre]

I backed Abacadabras fairly early for this with a free bet but I’m sort of doubting if he’ll be good enough or if he’s a genuine stayer.

If you watch the Aintree race back he’s all out to hold on over 2m4f and buzz is finishing like a train. He cruises to the front and is the winner from the last. For me only one horse you’d want to back for the stayers watching that race imo. Add 4 furlongs on too it’ll suit buzz a lot more than Aba for me.

I don’t think you can make the excuse of being tired because buzz had only had one run less than Aba and one of Abas runs at Cheltenham he fell early so wasn’t really a race so to speak.

Aba pulls himself up when he gets to the front and doesn’t do a thing Craig. I wouldn’t be concerned about him not staying, he’ll be the stoutest bred in the race. The question is will be is he good enough. I’ve got enough on already, but if I hadn’t I’d be going back in personally.

[Craigy14]

Aba pulls himself up when he gets to the front and doesn’t do a thing Craig. I wouldn’t be concerned about him not staying, he’ll be the stoutest bred in the race. The question is will be is he good enough. I’ve got enough on already, but if I hadn’t I’d be going back in personally.

That confuses me Spectre, as I’m sure when he was going for the Supreme there were people saying that’s the only race he would be going for on his breeding. I don’t know enough, if anything really on breeding but I recall it at the time.

My next worry then would be if he pulls himself up, will he be able to get to the last in the stayers on the bridle to then fight up the hill? I’ve not been watching racing as long as others on here, but the only couple I recall being that cosy in a stayers was Big Bucks who is viewed as the greatest and Thistlecrack. On evidence he doesn’t do a lot in front, we know he needs delivered late. Many have called him out for giving up in a finish or not having the fight for it in the past (rightly or wrongly).

[FinalFurlong91]

Personally I dont trust Abacadabras in a finish, especially at a track like Cheltenham with a stiff finish

Hed have to be dropped on the line

Hes no harchibald or lami serge, but if he got into a battle with a proper stayer in the final furlong id be fairly certain he'd get outbattled

[Lobos]

I can see Abacadabras going for the Champion Hurdle again to just pick up some place prize money before going back to Aintree with a winning chance. I don't see there being any more than 7/8 runners in the Churdle should Honey get there in one piece and connections won't be able to resist getting their hands on some easy money. I do not see him in the Stayers at all.

[Rooster Booster]

That confuses me Spectre, as I’m sure when he was going for the Supreme there were people saying that’s the only race he would be going for on his breeding. I don’t know enough, if anything really on breeding but I recall it at the time.

My next worry then would be if he pulls himself up, will he be able to get to the last in the stayers on the bridle to then fight up the hill? I’ve not been watching racing as long as others on here, but the only couple I recall being that cosy in a stayers was Big Bucks who is viewed as the greatest and Thistlecrack. On evidence he doesn’t do a lot in front, we know he needs delivered late. Many have called him out for giving up in a finish or not having the fight for it in the past (rightly or wrongly).

He is out of a cadoudal mare and cadoudal was the sire of long run and big bucks amongst others and is considered a positive influence for stamina. Davidoff his sire is far less convincing imo with aba being a fair bit better than anything else he has thrown....at least anything that has run over here.

[jono]

Happy enough with that performance today from Abacadabras. Given he never seemed to put into the race (like a few) he stayed on fairly well.

All eyes will be on him when he does step up to 3 miles.
whether that be at Christmas or at the festival.
He still needs to go out and do it at the trip. But I certainly wouldn’t of pushed his price out after today.