2022 Stayers Hurdle

[Chris]

Yet another pointer to Klassical Dream he beat Ronald Pump by an easy 12 lenghts at punchestown so no need to keep looking. It's so obvious it's like looking in the mirror and wondering who is looking back.

[BookieBasher]

Yet another pointer to Klassical Dream he beat Ronald Pump by an easy 12 lenghts at punchestown so no need to keep looking. It's so obvious it's like looking in the mirror and wondering who is looking back.

1 run in 2 years screams anything but obvious in my book

[Outlaw]

Aba pulls himself up when he gets to the front and doesn’t do a thing Craig. I wouldn’t be concerned about him not staying, he’ll be the stoutest bred in the race. The question is will be is he good enough. I’ve got enough on already, but if I hadn’t I’d be going back in personally.

Bang on and you just know he will trade short in running as he will be last off the bridle with how he travels(silky smooth).

[Chris]

1 run in 2 years screams anything but obvious in my book

In your valued opinion who beats him if he shows up in March? I try to back the most likely winner of any given race based on form, I could back something else and hope the best horse doesn't turn up but that would be very foolish indeed.

[Lobos]

1 run in 2 years screams anything but obvious in my book

Agree. He isn't a backable price at all with his background. One to get on maybe if he actually gets there. Like others have said, I can see his next race being the Stayers. He not one I'd trust at all though .

[Saxon Warrior]

Agree. He isn't a backable price at all with his background. One to get on maybe if he actually gets there. Like others have said, I can see his next race being the Stayers. He not one I'd trust at all though .

Definitely not a bet until he turns up somewhere.

The price shouldn’t shorten much in the meantime given his profile for not turning up.

[Our_Duke]

In your valued opinion who beats him if he shows up in March? I try to back the most likely winner of any given race based on form, I could back something else and hope the best horse doesn't turn up but that would be very foolish indeed.

Only foolish if you think he's likely to turn up and also will run to the Punchestown level again. Even ignoring the fact that he doesn't run too often, his two runs the season before suggest it's not a foregone conclusion that it's just getting him to the course, it's which KD turns up. I'd like less question marks before betting at fairly short odds myself.

[ToniC]

In your valued opinion who beats him if he shows up in March? I try to back the most likely winner of any given race based on form, I could back something else and hope the best horse doesn't turn up but that would be very foolish indeed.

The best horse is flooring porter & he has his own quirks to be fair. But if he can put in a performance matching last year it ought to be enough to win. How likely that is is another matter on its own.

the way I see things panning out if you want to be a backer of KD for this you’ll almost certainly get a better price keeping your powder dry and waiting for the day itself. Which is ironic given that his risk of not turning up is probably greater than most.

[Quevega]

He's not got exactly the same profile as Klassical Dream.
But Penhill, was shorter all season and went off at 12-1 when he didn't run till the festival.
I think Willie mentioned pretty early that he would not run till then, but people still backed him antepost, when the price IMO was never going to shorten.
Pretty sure he was available at bigger after decs also, at least 14's maybe 16's.

Not saying Klassical Dream would be this price but he shouldn't really shorten if he doesn't run.

[Rooster Booster]

He's not got exactly the same profile as Klassical Dream.
But Penhill, was shorter all season and went off at 12-1 when he didn't run till the festival.
I think Willie mentioned pretty early that he would not run till then, but people still backed him antepost, when the price IMO was never going to shorten.
Pretty sure he was available at bigger after decs also, at least 14's maybe 16's.

Not saying Klassical Dream would be this price but he shouldn't really shorten if he doesn't run.

I think it’s 50/50 and will depend on the noises from the yard leading up to the race imo. I don’t recall anything massively bullish about Penhill pre race but I may be wrong but they will be asked constantly about this fella. That’s why it’s gambling. It’d be pretty boring if we could see the future.

[knockando]

The best horse is flooring porter & he has his own quirks to be fair. But if he can put in a performance matching last year it ought to be enough to win. How likely that is is another matter on its own.

I still believe... I went in again on Flooring Porter straight after his tumble last time out, hoping he makes it to the Thursday sound and well from here.

[Saxon Warrior]

I thought once reading Willie's Stable Tours that we would see KD at Christmas over 3M and Cheltenham in the Stayers, maybe Punchestown afterwards.

He is obviously not straightforward to train, but a quality horse on his day.

Missing the HG yesterday isn't concerning, the news he wasn't training well was a little more so, given his race record over the last 2 and a bit seasons.

Willie doesn't like full 3M Grade 1 Hurdle seasons, says it bottoms good horses.

All eyes will be on the 5-day entries for the Christmas 3M Grade 1 where KD is concerned.

Would love to see him run there, it would reveal so much about him, this season, maybe as much as to see whether he can go on to Cheltenham as a strong fav, or maybe not go at all.

The value bet, if you want one on him, could be a 'Win today and Win the Stayers' if he is declared for Leopardstown, and they offered a double figure price.

[Spectre]

I can see Abacadabras going for the Champion Hurdle again to just pick up some place prize money. I do not see him in the Stayers at all.

You may need to re-asses Lobos. He's entered in the 3 mile hurdle at Leopardstown over Christmas Lobos, so connections are clearly thinking he's possibly as Stayers candidate. Although he does have an entry in the Matheson too so it's not cut and dried.

[Exar Essay]

Interesting that Qullixios has a 3m entry at Leopardstown and Zanahiyr doesn't. I had Zanahiyr down as looking like he needed further.

[Lobos]

You may need to re-asses Lobos. He's entered in the 3 mile hurdle at Leopardstown over Christmas Lobos, so connections are clearly thinking he's possibly as Stayers candidate. Although he does have an entry in the Matheson too so it's not cut and dried.

No need to re-asses. Nothing about him strikes me as him being a Stayers candidate. I just don't see it at all. Even if he takes up the Xmas entry he won't be of interest to me. In fairness I've never been a fan. Called him Harchibald the 2nd at one point for a reason.