2022 Turners Novices Chase (ex Marsh)

[Outlaw]

Really interesting piece my Simon Rowlands today on ATR. Has GDC 10 lengths down on Allaho at the last. I’d timed it as about 1.5 seconds down myself but thought I’d got it wrong.

As good as GDC looked, it does make you pause for thought. Makes me think something must’ve been up with Bob to me in trouble so far out too.

I can appreciate GDC went much slower early doors than the Ryanair field which you'd expect given he was in a 2 runner tactical affair but if you split screen in from the first fence on the last circuit(when he actually starts to race and get in rhythm) to the Ryanair it's actually mental, I say that as I don't doubt he could of gone the early pace that the Ryanair field did. Ignoring what horses are out there at present he looks another intermediate star, not to say he can't be over further given his high cruising speed but He's already in the 170 bracket.

[Pendil1111]

Hendo wasn’t confident leading up to the race, I think Shishkin may be a difficult horse to get/keep right and he knew the horse wasn’t where he wanted him.
Perhaps that Clarence House win left it’s mark ?

Same as Altior ?

[Pendil1111]

The least rational explanation is a baseless accusation of sabotage though, non?

I'm not talking through my pocket as I was well in profit.......I just think the horses were all over the place particularly Shishkin , Bob out on his feet ? Baseless.........perhaps !

[FinalFurlong91]

I'm not talking through my pocket as I was well in profit.......I just think the horses were all over the place particularly Shishkin , Bob out on his feet ? Baseless.........perhaps !

They are animals not machines

Take off the tin foil hat

[robith]

I'm not talking through my pocket as I was well in profit.......I just think the horses were all over the place particularly Shishkin , Bob out on his feet ? Baseless.........perhaps !

You have provided zero evidence for interference beyond "they ran badly", so yeah, baseless

[Pendil1111]

You have provided zero evidence for interference beyond "they ran badly", so yeah, baseless

"They ran badly" that's the official line.........two of the best horses run badly and everyone is happy with the "it wasn't me a big boy done it and ran away" justification......my my the third verdict 'Not Proven' M'lud.........after all they are only animals , there's a good chap "shut up Pendil". Are we of the collective belief that nothing like this can happen..........

[Exar Essay]

"They ran badly" that's the official line.........two of the best horses run badly and everyone is happy with the "it wasn't me a big boy done it and ran away" justification......my my the third verdict 'Not Proven' M'lud.........after all they are only animals , there's a good chap "shut up Pendil". Are we of the collective belief that nothing like this can happen..........

Just silly …. Maybe the horse got coked up the night before doing brasses til sunrise?

[robith]

"They ran badly" that's the official line.........two of the best horses run badly and everyone is happy with the "it wasn't me a big boy done it and ran away" justification......my my the third verdict 'Not Proven' M'lud.........after all they are only animals , there's a good chap "shut up Pendil". Are we of the collective belief that nothing like this can happen..........

This is going in circles. No one is denying that horses being "got" happens. No one is telling you to shut up. But. Well fancied horses run badly all the time, especially on heavy ground and when they go straight through the 4th last fence. You're the one saying they were interfered with, so the onus is on you to prove that, rather than scurrilous insinuation and as yet, baseless conspiracy. But the childish nature of your response suggests you aren't a good faith actor and we should all draw a line under this and move on

[ComplyOrDie]

There always seems to be a sense of irony with Bob Olinger.

Last season, Archie, quite rightly, mentioned the fragility of his dams line, mostly for the fillies produced rather than the colts, and lo and behold it was Bob Olingers first opponent over hurdles, Ferny Hollow, that ended up being fragile and missing the season.

This season, in the build up to the Turners there were quite a few doubts about Bob Olingers jumping holding up, and then, you guessed it, he was the beneficiary of the last fence fall by Galopin Des Champs.

In both instances both opinions had a degree of merit to them, yet I find it funny how it actually ends up playing out.

Anyone fancy doubting Bob Olinger for next season?

[BigChaang]

There always seems to be a sense of irony with Bob Olinger.

Last season, Archie, quite rightly, mentioned the fragility of his dams line, mostly for the fillies produced rather than the colts, and lo and behold it was Bob Olingers first opponent over hurdles, Ferny Hollow, that ended up being fragile and missing the season.

This season, in the build up to the Turners there were quite a few doubts about Bob Olingers jumping holding up, and then, you guessed it, he was the beneficiary of the last fence fall by Galopin Des Champs.

In both instances both opinions had a degree of merit to them, yet I find it funny how it actually ends up playing out.

Anyone fancy doubting Bob Olinger for next season?

The Irish " Chantry House " , well i hope not if he does end up in the gold cup..

[archie]

In both instances both opinions had a degree of merit to them, yet I find it funny how it actually ends up playing out.

Anyone fancy doubting Bob Olinger for next season?

Degree of merit as in being completely accurate?

It would appear that Bob Olinger didn't fancy a battle that he was losing. Whether that was mental or physical we'll probably never know but HdB hasn't yet come out with any news of an identified physical problem. What is not in doubt is that he had a very tough race and Myska's problem only appeared in the race after her listed slog in the Taunton mud.

[ComplyOrDie]

Degree of merit as in being completely accurate?

It would appear that Bob Olinger didn't fancy a battle that he was losing. Whether that was mental or physical we'll probably never know but HdB hasn't yet come out with any news of an identified physical problem. What is not in doubt is that he had a very tough race and Myska's problem only appeared in the race after her listed slog in the Taunton mud.

Seems like it was and is physical. Just seen a tweet from Josh Stacey from yesterday that Bob has torn a muscle in his near hind quarter, and is currently receiving physio. Out for the rest of the season.

I assume torn muscles, like in humans, can be gotten over, with time, and I'm sure he will be given plenty of time. Ideally he would have been pulled up in the Turners, as to reduce the risk of worsening it, but unlike humans, say in a running race, horses won't just pull themselves up.

What injury did Myska sustain, out of interest?

[archie]

Seems like it was and is physical. Just seen a tweet from Josh Stacey from yesterday that Bob has torn a muscle in his near hind quarter, and is currently receiving physio. Out for the rest of the season.

I assume torn muscles, like in humans, can be gotten over, with time, and I'm sure he will be given plenty of time. Ideally he would have been pulled up in the Turners, as to reduce the risk of worsening it, but unlike humans, say in a running race, horses won't just pull themselves up.

What injury did Myska sustain, out of interest?

I'm slightly puzzled that it's taken so long to diagnose a pulled muscle and doubt that it's the whole story. Time will tell.

Myska had a palate issue. It could probably have been fixed by an operation but she was leased and the important people decided that she had done enough to be a broodmare so the expense wasn't justified. She went back to the breeder.

[ComplyOrDie]

I'm slightly puzzled that it's taken so long to diagnose a pulled muscle and doubt that it's the whole story. Time will tell.

Myska had a palate issue. It could probably have been fixed by an operation but she was leased and the important people decided that she had done enough to be a broodmare so the expense wasn't justified. She went back to the breeder.

Ah fair enough archie, thanks for clarifying