2022 Turners Novices Chase (ex Marsh)

[Quevega]

I would. Over 2m 4f, I just think Bob is quicker. Over 3m based on the current evidence, I’d suggest it’s much closer. To me GDC is a proper classy galloper and a gold cup horse. Whereas Bob has some engine and proper gears to him.

I think both have engines and for novices they both look untested yet. In that they have more to give.
But Ruby is correct in that in the jumping stakes, Bob is the more likely to take an extra step and be safer in the jumping department. Not safe as in falling but less brave.
So despite all the theory of Ruby's motives, I think he's simply musing on how he sees it, so far.
These 2 look the best novice chasers I've seen for a while in terms of pure power under the saddle in comparison to their peers.
Would be a very good match.

[Kevloaf]

These 2 look the best novice chasers I've seen for a while in terms of pure power under the saddle in comparison to their peers.
Would be a very good match.

It's like Samcro and Envoi Allen in the same season... when both novice chasers.
Way ahead of their peers.

[Quevega]

It's like Samcro and Envoi Allen in the same season... when both novice chasers.
Way ahead of their peers.

Kind of, but those didn't travel quite as well as the current duo IMO.
Either winning their big hurdle race at Cheltenham or in their early novice chases.
These look better to my eye.

[Lobos]

I agree GDC is the quicker more fluent jumper so may catch out Bob over 2m 4f. If Mullins does switch GDC then if I were Henry I'd switch Bob to the RSA. He's entered for both. Mind games galore.

[Kevloaf]

Kind of, but those didn't travel quite as well as the current duo IMO.
Either winning their big hurdle race at Cheltenham or in their early novice chases.
These look better to my eye.

I'd say that's recency bias and hindsight on EA and Samcro being crap.

Nothing to say Bob O won't end up the same either.

GDC could too, but if I had to pick one of the two, GDC is the daddy.


Up the Monkfish.

[Quevega]

I'd say that's recency bias and hindsight on EA and Samcro being crap.

Nothing to say Bob O won't end up the same either.

GDC could too, but if I had to pick one of the two, GDC is the daddy.


Up the Monkfish.

Not really.
But of course they have to keep it going.

[Middle_Of_March]

I'd say that's recency bias and hindsight on EA and Samcro being crap.

Nothing to say Bob O won't end up the same either.

GDC could too, but if I had to pick one of the two, GDC is the daddy.


Up the Monkfish.

With Samcro, worth remembering that he was an unbelievable novice hurdler but as a novice chaser, had only actually won 1 of his 3 starts over fences pre-Cheltenham. In fact if I remember rightly he was actually third fav for the Marsh that year.

[Kevloaf]

Not really.
But of course they have to keep it going.

I suppose it's just that being hard to believe.

Personally have no reason not to love Bob Olinger, like plenty on here.... and GDC had the wow factor.

It's just the horses you've mentioned, and others we could name I probably think I've felt the same about... so the more that come and go, the less 'special' things seem.


Going off on a tangent here to try and explain, but it's a bit like watching Frankel, then hearing every other year horses get compared.... but everyone knowing deep down they're not anywhere near...

The Sprinter as a novice chaser... and first year.... I am stuck thinking that's as good as it'll get..... or at very least, thinking they set the bar and expecting the bar to keep rising is a bit fanciful.

I remember thinking it about Samcro when FM was in-love with him, and I questioned his PTP run. He went on to win the Ballymore easily and looked special and I ended up buying into it, but shouldn't have?


Bob Olinger doesn't look any more special to me than a whole host of horses at the same time in their career. He's beaten Capodanno and Bacardys so far... easily enough, he's ace..... but I don't want to lose my head about it.

[Kevloaf]

With Samcro, worth remembering that he was an unbelievable novice hurdler but as a novice chaser, had only actually won 1 of his 3 starts over fences pre-Cheltenham. In fact if I remember rightly he was actually third fav for the Marsh that year.

Yes you're right, he did get found out pretty quickly didn't he, when Fakir D'Oudaries made him look a bit slow at fences.

[Mighty]

I agree GDC is the quicker more fluent jumper so may catch out Bob over 2m 4f. If Mullins does switch GDC then if I were Henry I'd switch Bob to the RSA. He's entered for both. Mind games galore.

Genuine question - how would the trainers know where the other horse had been entered prior to decs?

[Altior]

Samcro was fairly dirt as a novice chaser up until Cheltenham. That JLT was genuinely one of the best training performances you'll find and doesn't get near enough credit it should get. Samcro has only ran to anywhere near that form once since. There was a reason Gordon was in bits after the race. Fakir made him looks sloppy and Faugheen destroyed him. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone with a platform at the time to tip Samcro, everyone was already calling him a what could have been horse.

[charlie]

I remember in one of the Racing TV's Road to Cheltenham, about 3 weeks ago, when going through the BANC, Ruby asked Lydia what was his price for the Turners. A week or two later, in another episode, she brought it up as a possibility. He seems to have bagged the idea since, and taken responsibility.

Lydia has chronic priors for this sort of thing. She was banging the Altior Ryanair drum last season too, does it every year. What's irritating is it feels like its sold to Joe public as an inciteful piece of tipping when really its just lazy dross.

[Lobos]

Genuine question - how would the trainers know where the other horse had been entered prior to decs?

They do all get on better than punters think and do chat prior to Decs.

[Istabraq]

Genuine question - how would the trainers know where the other horse had been entered prior to decs?

Someone said it recently, the site used for declaring for horses in a race is live with real time updates so any owner/trainer can log in and see who has already been entered.
I don't know what habits trainers have but I would assume, to avoid any errors, this is done well in advance of any deadline.
But you need to be registered and only owners/trainers have access as I understand it...

[ToniC]

I would. Over 2m 4f, I just think Bob is quicker. Over 3m based on the current evidence, I’d suggest it’s much closer. To me GDC is a proper classy galloper and a gold cup horse. Whereas Bob has some engine and proper gears to him.

Agree with u here. Seems to be a bit of a shiny new toy element to GDC. I mean don’t get me wrong he looks absolutely savage as a prospect but bob o is the one with all the graded winning back-form over 20 furlongs. Can’t believe so many would be in his camp, in a match vs Bob, to be fair