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2022 Queen Mother Champion Chase

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  • Originally posted by Bollinger View Post
    Forgive me Rufus, and I’m absolutely willing to be shot down here, but surely, surely, those prices are specifically to finish placed 3rd ONLY????

    If evens money was being offered on Chacun to finish in the top 5 (if I’m reading your assumption correctly??), I’d be certain it’d be the kind of price to potentially finish off a lot of bookmakers!!

    Evens on Chacun to finish in the top 3 (you still need both Shishkin & Energumene to finish ahead) seems an unbelievably generous price??
    Maybe its Evens w/o those two, and each way pays 1/5 the odds a place? - 1/5 to place without those two wouldn't attract too much cash.
    "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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    • Originally posted by Bollinger View Post
      Forgive me Rufus, and I’m absolutely willing to be shot down here, but surely, surely, those prices are specifically to finish placed 3rd ONLY????

      If evens money was being offered on Chacun to finish in the top 5 (if I’m reading your assumption correctly??), I’d be certain it’d be the kind of price to potentially finish off a lot of bookmakers!!

      Evens on Chacun to finish in the top 3 (you still need both Shishkin & Energumene to finish ahead) seems an unbelievably generous price??
      Sorry to clarify - yes as SaxonWarrior says.... 1/5 Odds EW for the first 3 without Shishkin & Energumene.

      If you were to take the evens for Chacun you would be banking on him coming 3rd behind the top two (or 1/5 odds on to be in top 5 if you prefer).

      Effectively 2/1 for PTKO to be in the first 5 was more so my point in highlighting.

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      • HDB on PKTO

        She's got an entry for the Mares' Chase, but I'd say that we're 95 per cent leaning towards the Champion Chase. When you look at her run when third the Shloer Chase this season on very good ground, it was probably a similar performance to her win in the same race on testing ground a year earlier. She was disappointing at Fairyhouse on her only other start this season when she just didn't turn up at all. If you take that out, we feel that she's entitled to go back to the Champion Chase and try to defend her crown.

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        • Originally posted by charlie View Post
          HDB on PKTO

          She's got an entry for the Mares' Chase, but I'd say that we're 95 per cent leaning towards the Champion Chase. When you look at her run when third the Shloer Chase this season on very good ground, it was probably a similar performance to her win in the same race on testing ground a year earlier. She was disappointing at Fairyhouse on her only other start this season when she just didn't turn up at all. If you take that out, we feel that she's entitled to go back to the Champion Chase and try to defend her crown.
          Absolutely the right decision.

          Obviously ignoring her form but for the reigning QM Champion Chaser to not defend the crown would take away from the race massively!

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          • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post

            Absolutely the right decision.

            Obviously ignoring her form but for the reigning QM Champion Chaser to not defend the crown would take away from the race massively!
            Too right. Plenty of 'tipsters' seem to be putting her up for the mares chase which has puzzled me.

            If she's on song she could battle herself into the money.

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            • HDB also saying that’s wheee he’s leaning with Envoi Allen

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              • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post

                Absolutely the right decision.

                Obviously ignoring her form but for the reigning QM Champion Chaser to not defend the crown would take away from the race massively!
                Exactly.
                Though Ruby and quite a few in here would have had her in the Mares race last year…

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                • She would need some soft in the going description though,that would give her a right chance of hitting the frame at least, no chance on genuine good or faster (although I think it was good last year)

                  Maybe Charlie could enlighten us on conditions around that part of the world? 3 weeks out from the Supreme tomorrow so surely some ground reports coming out soon.

                  Soft ground would rule out Nube Negra, Greanateen, etc

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                  • I dont think she'd be able to keep up with the gallop they are likely to go this year

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                    • Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post
                      I dont think she'd be able to keep up with the gallop they are likely to go this year
                      ...and she'll plug on late.... into a distant 3rd....

                      Although I wouldn't want that, I'm not on

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                      • Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post
                        I dont think she'd be able to keep up with the gallop they are likely to go this year
                        I don't think they will go as hard as people think. Only setting it up for Shiskin if they do. I reckon Mullins will try and control it from the from with Chanan and Energumene going a steady pace and winding it up from the top of the hill. Knock shiskin off his feet and hope he gets caught in traffic around the home turn.

                        If they go like the clappers early Shiskin will piss in, only way of beating him is for a steady run race with a sprint from 3 out

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                        • Originally posted by charlie View Post
                          HDB on PKTO

                          She's got an entry for the Mares' Chase, but I'd say that we're 95 per cent leaning towards the Champion Chase
                          Got quite excited when I remembered I did a few doubles with her placing in this race, then I realised they were with Ferny in the Arkle and Marsh. Was a fun 30 seconds, although it took longer than that to type this on my phone.

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                          • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post

                            ...and she'll plug on late.... into a distant 3rd....

                            Although I wouldn't want that, I'm not on
                            That’s pretty much all I can cling to at this stage but at least she goes.

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                            • Put The Kettle On....... forever underestimated. Imagine the scenes if she were to topple Shishkin.

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                              • Seen people on twitter indignant about her coming here over the mares. I'm sorry, we all talk about the calendar taking away from contests etc - the defending CHAMPION CHASER should 100% attempt to defend their title

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