2022 Queen Mother Champion Chase

[Atlantic Viking]

Shishkin has come out great, sound, eaten up etc... "Thank goodness all is well", "He's come out great, bouncing and happy" - Nicky on RTV this morning.

[jono]

12/1 for Chacun Pour Soi now in a place.

I'd prefer than to Energumene at 4/1 before tomorrow.....

Only because it has huge potential to shorten up again. Is Greanateen really a better horse than CPS? He's 8/1


The risk with CPS is at least now in his price. It isn't with Energumene.



Not rushing to back anything though, but that'd be where I'd lean.




This race is over hyped too this year. Gutted I missed the podcast where Spectre and Jono were gushing about it.

One of the best races you’ll see yesterday.
Both horses approaching 180 figures
The rematch to come in March.
Worth every bit of hype and gushing that we gave the race back in November I’d say

[TigerRolllllll]

It's one I'm not really sure on tbh and couldn't give a definitive view on.

Visually, Shishkin has impressed me more than Altior. I also wouldn't rate today's performance 181 - I have it 176 or 177.

Depends how you judge First Flow….he was fully tuned and has won that race ….,if he ran to his level, then wow, the RPRs are some of highest I have ever seen and 180 plus

timeform provisional ratings are 181p and 180

[Quevega]

And to think some people wasted a few pages on here talking about a mare ?

[Craigy14]

And to think some people wasted a few pages on here talking about a mare ?

And the Ryanair for one of the 2 yesterday

[Lobos]

Shishkin has come out great, sound, eaten up etc... "Thank goodness all is well", "He's come out great, bouncing and happy" - Nicky on RTV this morning.

Brilliant news. Cotton wool time now.

[Kevloaf]

One of the best races you’ll see yesterday.
Both horses approaching 180 figures
The rematch to come in March.
Worth every bit of hype and gushing that we gave the race back in November I’d say

Fair point!

3/1 for Energumene now, was only 4/1 then is funny.

Energumene put in a performance yesterday to fully justify the price he is now (and the price he'd been put in at, although I don't think until yesterday we had evidence he was up to Shishkin's level)

I'm surprised so many people are effusive about Shishkin 100% beating him in March. He hasn't walloped him by any stretch. Energumene is a lot better than I thought he was.

Shishkin a rightful favourite of course, and will on paper have much more in his favour when they clash at Cheltenham, but they're more closely matched than Altior / Min battles were built up to be.

[Altior]

Think I know that lad.
He owns half of Berkshire and is probably about 15th in line to the throne so I wouldn’t be feeling too sorry for him, he can still afford to stick the central heating on…

I thought I heard it was Tony Bloom and his lads punting on their horse.

[Carnage at Taunton]

I think it fair to say that Energ probably cannot improve much from that. He ran pretty much the perfect race to my eyes, jumped well and travelled well.
Shishkin on the other hand did not travel as well as E, and his jumping was not as good as it normally is, so for Shishkin to still win says a lot for me,
Having said that, only a length in it, so still all to play for on a totally different track on probably different ground.
We know S performs at Cheltenham, we dont know if E will, but thats not to say E wont. He might relish it.
Still a fascinating race to look forward to.

[ComplyOrDie]

Think I know that lad.
He owns half of Berkshire and is probably about 15th in line to the throne so I wouldn’t be feeling too sorry for him, he can still afford to stick the central heating on…

Whoever it was, I hope affordability checks were in place....

[Istabraq]

I thought I heard it was Tony Bloom and his lads punting on their horse.

Bloomy uses exchanges and overseas agents, he’s such a private man I can’t imagine him using a very public outlet…

[Lobos]

Totally agree Carnage. That was Energumene chance yesterday and he didn't take it. Even Mullins said after that he expected Shishkin had more left and he was right. I think Shishkin broke Energumene and his connections hearts yesterday and he'll not be getting revenge in March. Great race.

[Saxon Warrior]

Bloomy uses exchanges and overseas agents, he’s such a private man I can’t imagine him using a very public outlet…

360K with Star Sports was the reported bet.

[Kevloaf]

I think it fair to say that Energ probably cannot improve much from that. He ran pretty much the perfect race to my eyes, jumped well and travelled well.
Shishkin on the other hand did not travel as well as E, and his jumping was not as good as it normally is, so for Shishkin to still win says a lot for me,
Having said that, only a length in it, so still all to play for on a totally different track on probably different ground.
We know S performs at Cheltenham, we dont know if E will, but thats not to say E wont. He might relish it.
Still a fascinating race to look forward to.

I would suggest that we can find a good few examples of Willie Mullins' improving a horse in March, when it matters most. Assuming no improvement from Energumene is a bit wide of the mark.

I understand why you've said it, however just thinking about some performances his horses have put up in March, they're head and shoulders above what they've done elsewhere...... do we think it's fair to say that can't happen for Energumene?

They'll have learnt as much yesterday as they can and would you put it past them to find any improvement?

Totally agree Carnage. That was Energumene chance yesterday and he didn't take it. Even Mullins said after that he expected Shishkin had more left and he was right. I think Shishkin broke Energumene and his connections hearts yesterday and he'll not be getting revenge in March. Great race.

Broke Energumene's heart? Never be the same again?

What price Energumene to never win a G1 ?

[Quevega]

I would suggest that we can find a good few examples of Willie Mullins' improving a horse in March, when it matters most. Assuming no improvement from Energumene is a bit wide of the mark.

I understand why you've said it, however just thinking about some performances his horses have put up in March, they're head and shoulders above what they've done elsewhere...... do we think it's fair to say that can't happen for Energumene?

They'll have learnt as much yesterday as they can and would you put it past them to find any improvement?




Broke Energumene's heart? Never be the same again?

What price Energumene to never win a G1 ?

Yeah a relatively new poster on here was called stupid last night and asked to be more nuanced when stating opinions that are likely to be disagreed with or controversial.
Nuance is not something a blurt can understand.
Blurting out opinions on a regular basis is all well and good, but all it means is most of the time they are likely irrational and stupid to some onlookers.
However, even a blurt is entitled to an opinion, and voicing it on here.