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2022 Queen Mother Champion Chase

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  • Has to be the travelling with CPS . His two worst runs have been when he's travelled to the festival. That can't just be coincidence. They do lose Weight and condition travelling and he gets affected more than others which is why they are going to try and do less with him pre Festival this year to see if it helps. Probably a year too late.

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    • Funambole Sivola franking the Shishkin form


      My Grand Annual hope well and truely smashed to bits

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      • Venetia just said the plan for FA is the CC…

        ”“There’s only one place you can go and that’s Cheltenham in March, and not for the handicap.”
        Last edited by Mighty; 12 February 2022, 03:11 PM.

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        • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
          Has to be the travelling with CPS . His two worst runs have been when he's travelled to the festival. That can't just be coincidence. They do lose Weight and condition travelling and he gets affected more than others which is why they are going to try and do less with him pre Festival this year to see if it helps. Probably a year too late.
          I do often wonder why they travel over so late in general, surely a week earlier just helps to avoid this issue?

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          • They're usually getting they're last bits of serious work in the week before HF.
            Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.

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            • Anyone heard any thing on Chacun? Nothing in the pink on Bfair

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              • Originally posted by fitzy78 View Post
                Anyone heard any thing on Chacun? Nothing in the pink on Bfair
                Taken a bit of a walk too when you look at what he’s been backed at recently. Last matched 11 and looks like it may have been 12 or 13 before that (struggle to tell on mobile) best priced bookie is 6/1…… ominous.

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                • Probably absolutely nothing, just the time of year, but Shishkin a little bit weaker on the exchanges than he has been in previous weeks. 2.5 matched on the exchanges and PP/Betfair have probably followed this weakness and put him out to 8/11 today too (although there whole QMCC market seems to have been adjusted, so possibly nothing in this).

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                  • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post
                    Probably absolutely nothing, just the time of year, but Shishkin a little bit weaker on the exchanges than he has been in previous weeks. 2.5 matched on the exchanges and PP/Betfair have probably followed this weakness and put him out to 8/11 today too (although there whole QMCC market seems to have been adjusted, so possibly nothing in this).
                    Betfair need to start taking February off & spare us all this drama & panic!

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                    • Posted two hours ago - proof of life!

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                      • Not sure if it has been mentioned here (or elsewhere) but Paddy Power have a w/o Shishkin & Energumene (NRMB) market up for this race:

                        Chacun Pour Soi - Evs
                        Nube Negra - 3/1
                        Envoi Allen - 6/1
                        Funamble sivola - 6/1
                        Put the Kettle On - 10/1
                        Dunvegan - 25/1
                        Captain Guinness - 25/1

                        Paying three places.

                        Some of these could be decent in a race that will likely be a small field. PTKO even if not at her best surely finishes in the first 5?



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                        • Originally posted by RufusFlynn View Post
                          Not sure if it has been mentioned here (or elsewhere) but Paddy Power have a w/o Shishkin & Energumene (NRMB) market up for this race:

                          Chacun Pour Soi - Evs
                          Nube Negra - 3/1
                          Envoi Allen - 6/1
                          Funamble sivola - 6/1
                          Put the Kettle On - 10/1
                          Dunvegan - 25/1
                          Captain Guinness - 25/1

                          Paying three places.

                          Some of these could be decent in a race that will likely be a small field. PTKO even if not at her best surely finishes in the first 5?


                          Exchange has a market up as well.
                          Chacun available at 2-1 for decent money.

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                          • I think nube negra is the play on the without the top two and will be keeping an eye out on the exchange to see what value I can get there 3/1 for paddy’s isn’t bad

                            CPS- big question mark over running at Cheltenham
                            envoi - don’t see 2 miles being his distance and think he will get swept off his feet if he turnt up
                            Funamble Sivola - certainly improving according to RPR but I can’t see the progression continuing
                            PTKO - Doesn’t seem the same horse these days despite usually coming alive in March, I think nube negra would be more reliable
                            Dunvegan - ran well behind CPS but don’t like the profile in terms of consistently running on the flat as well. RPR’s this year going the right way but at championship pace I think he will be found out
                            Captain guiness - beat NN at sandown but think tables will be turnt at Cheltenham and soundly beaten at DRF

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                            • Originally posted by RufusFlynn View Post
                              Not sure if it has been mentioned here (or elsewhere) but Paddy Power have a w/o Shishkin & Energumene (NRMB) market up for this race:

                              Chacun Pour Soi - Evs
                              Nube Negra - 3/1
                              Envoi Allen - 6/1
                              Funamble sivola - 6/1
                              Put the Kettle On - 10/1
                              Dunvegan - 25/1
                              Captain Guinness - 25/1

                              Paying three places.

                              Some of these could be decent in a race that will likely be a small field. PTKO even if not at her best surely finishes in the first 5?


                              Forgive me Rufus, and I’m absolutely willing to be shot down here, but surely, surely, those prices are specifically to finish placed 3rd ONLY????

                              If evens money was being offered on Chacun to finish in the top 5 (if I’m reading your assumption correctly??), I’d be certain it’d be the kind of price to potentially finish off a lot of bookmakers!!

                              Evens on Chacun to finish in the top 3 (you still need both Shishkin & Energumene to finish ahead) seems an unbelievably generous price??

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                              • * 3rd only behind the two aforementioned.

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