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2022 Browns Advisory Novices (3m) Chase - ex RSA

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  • Originally posted by Hurricane fly View Post
    Nichols already talking of missing Chelts with BMG
    Thats his go to move post race. I’d be extremely confident the owners won’t let him miss the festival for aintree, would be daft. Some horse though.

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    • Ahoy Senor seems to run his best races on left handed tracks despite jumping slightly right handed , maybe he's just more comfortable doing that , leading on his left suits him

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      • Originally posted by doctorwu View Post

        Can't have RWF at all for this SW. Totally the wrong profile to be winning this. All imho.
        That’s what I’m hoping too.

        I didn’t want to back him, I just wanted to know what price he would be.

        Now Farouk D’Alene ran so well in a Grade 1 then that horse could be Giggy’s runner in this.
        "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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        • Just watched the Limerick race

          Thought farouk dalene jumped much better today but 2m3f looked much too short

          looks to be crying out for 3 miles

          Doubt he has the class of a Bravemansgame but he will definitely improve for a longer trip

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          • Originally posted by The Fellow View Post
            Ahoy Senor seems to run his best races on left handed tracks despite jumping slightly right handed , maybe he's just more comfortable doing that , leading on his left suits him
            Ahoy senors problem seems to be hes not that smart, when he met a fence on a good stride his jumping is superb

            When he meets one on a bad stride he just hits it

            By contrast Bravemansgame is brilliant and nimble on a bad stride

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            • I personally think Ahoy Senor will be perfectly suited for Cheltenham, Kempton is tight. I still remember the big breakaway clattering every fence in the same race last year, he should of won the race but didn't. I think Ahoy will win at Cheltenham by 5 lengths plus. Today's result is perfect as the price has been pushed out nicely.

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              • Originally posted by Atlantic Viking View Post

                What does he want?! Madness not to come here
                Absolutely. He’s the best 3 mile nov chaser I’ve seen this season, his jumping is really good.

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                • BMG has to come here doesn't he. Imagine Nicholls explaining to his owners why he skipped it if Ahoy Senor wins.

                  Cheltenham's fences are much easier these days than Kempton, and I think most of us would imagine that Cheltenham will suit Ahoy Senor much better than Kempton did. I think it's fair to say that there was a consensus that he might be beaten by BMG before the race, and then he'd reverse the form in March. I for one don't feel much different now than I did before the race. If Ahoy Senor jumps better or is less inconvenienced by the fences when stamina comes more into play he can definitely reverse.

                  I'm looking for ward to seeing what Galopin des Champs does now, as he has the potential to be the best of the three. I suspect we're in for a potential treat, and it could be one of the best RSA's for a long time.
                  Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.

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                  • Originally posted by Spectre View Post
                    BMG has to come here doesn't he. Imagine Nicholls explaining to his owners why he skipped it if Ahoy Senor wins.

                    Cheltenham's fences are much easier these days than Kempton, and I think most of us would imagine that Cheltenham will suit Ahoy Senor much better than Kempton did. I think it's fair to say that there was a consensus that he might be beaten by BMG before the race, and then he'd reverse the form in March. I for one don't feel much different now than I did before the race. If Ahoy Senor jumps better or is less inconvenienced by the fences when stamina comes more into play he can definitely reverse.

                    I'm looking for ward to seeing what Galopin des Champs does now, as he has the potential to be the best of the three. I suspect we're in for a potential treat, and it could be one of the best RSA's for a long time.
                    I don't think BMG has to come here at all, what Nicholls said made plenty of sense. Consider you (anyone) not backing BMG ante post, and see if it still means he 'has to'?

                    I think if Ahoy Senor is a big player in the 'RSA' when we get to it, we can safely, safely say it is nowhere near one of the best RSA's for a long time too. If you hadn't backed him at a big price you wouldn't be as keen on him. In isolation, after watching that race, you can't truely believe he's enhanced his RSA claims at all, and his overall profile is one that'll come up short when he meets whichever G1 winning horse he meets from Ireland when we get to that point.

                    Neither have 'no chance' of course, but the "tough task/hard race for no reason" that Nicholls mentioned after the race, meant 'Irish horses at Cheltenham' and he's bob on

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                    • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post

                      I don't think BMG has to come here at all, what Nicholls said made plenty of sense. Consider you (anyone) not backing BMG ante post, and see if it still means he 'has to'?

                      I think if Ahoy Senor is a big player in the 'RSA' when we get to it, we can safely, safely say it is nowhere near one of the best RSA's for a long time too. If you hadn't backed him at a big price you wouldn't be as keen on him. In isolation, after watching that race, you can't truely believe he's enhanced his RSA claims at all, and his overall profile is one that'll come up short when he meets whichever G1 winning horse he meets from Ireland when we get to that point.

                      Neither have 'no chance' of course, but the "tough task/hard race for no reason" that Nicholls mentioned after the race, meant 'Irish horses at Cheltenham' and he's bob on
                      I aint backed him yet, waiting for nrnb, but had i backed him at nice prices, i would be very disappointed if the best 3m jumper of a fence, that i have seen this season in the novice division, did not run at the festival.
                      As for AS he could well enjoy Cheltenham much more than Kempton.....he would not be the first.

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                      • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post

                        I don't think BMG has to come here at all, what Nicholls said made plenty of sense. Consider you (anyone) not backing BMG ante post, and see if it still means he 'has to'?

                        I think if Ahoy Senor is a big player in the 'RSA' when we get to it, we can safely, safely say it is nowhere near one of the best RSA's for a long time too. If you hadn't backed him at a big price you wouldn't be as keen on him. In isolation, after watching that race, you can't truely believe he's enhanced his RSA claims at all, and his overall profile is one that'll come up short when he meets whichever G1 winning horse he meets from Ireland when we get to that point.

                        Neither have 'no chance' of course, but the "tough task/hard race for no reason" that Nicholls mentioned after the race, meant 'Irish horses at Cheltenham' and he's bob on
                        I've got both in the book for big returns and think Nicholls just wants the easier option of Aintree. I just hope the owners of BMG just tell him they want to test BMG against the Irish and stick to their guns.
                        AS really disappointed me with his jumping and I thought the jockey overdid the steady pace which played into the hands of BMG. I'd like to see him run again to see if his jumping has improved. If it hasn't, I may cash out.

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                        • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post

                          I don't think BMG has to come here at all, what Nicholls said made plenty of sense. Consider you (anyone) not backing BMG ante post, and see if it still means he 'has to'?

                          I think if Ahoy Senor is a big player in the 'RSA' when we get to it, we can safely, safely say it is nowhere near one of the best RSA's for a long time too. If you hadn't backed him at a big price you wouldn't be as keen on him. In isolation, after watching that race, you can't truely believe he's enhanced his RSA claims at all, and his overall profile is one that'll come up short when he meets whichever G1 winning horse he meets from Ireland when we get to that point.

                          Neither have 'no chance' of course, but the "tough task/hard race for no reason" that Nicholls mentioned after the race, meant 'Irish horses at Cheltenham' and he's bob on
                          It looks pretty weak renewal atm to me

                          None of the irish horses we've seen so far look good enough to contend

                          That may change but if GDC isn't a natural then it may not

                          Weve not even seen a latest exhibition standard horse in Ireland let alone the next monkfish

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                          • I think the depth is great in the RSA. Fair better than the Marsh. Jury’s out on absolute quality at the moment but the depth is extraordinary in my view, certainly compared to last year. Potentially, BMG, Ahoy, GDC, GDM, Stattler, Beacons Edge, Fury Road, Capodano, Farouk … all good horses.

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                            • Having backed BMG makes no difference to my opinion, nor does it to Ahoy Senor Kev. My thoughts on both horses would be exactly the same either way because I don't attach any emotion to bets.

                              I'll reverse the question on you. If you owned BMG would you want to see him at the Festival based on what you've seen so far? If Ahoy Senor won the RSA, how would you feel if Nicholls had advised you to skip it?

                              Do you think Ahoy Senor will be a better horse being able to stride on off a stronger pace than Derek Fox made yesterday? Do you think he's likely to jump better over the fences at Cheltenham that are much softer than Kempton? Do you think he's likely to be a better horse on a galloping track than a sharp track like Kempton?
                              Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.

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                              • Talk by the trainer of perhaps bypassing this race with BMG and Ahoy Senior not being ideal, will turn many Irish trainers to give it a go with one or two of their lesser lights. Who though? Opens up the race a bit, makes it more potentially competitive and some value in the market.

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