2022 Browns Advisory Novices (3m) Chase - ex RSA

[Madmoose]

the big one being Galopin des Champs...can't wait - fingers crossed!

He wasn’t declared but Capodanno and Gallard De Mesnil have been.

[Lobos]

He wasn’t declared but Capodanno and Gallard De Mesnil have been.

Nice to see those 2 but surprised that GDC was not declared instead of one of those as Mullins said weeks ago he was forward and ready for a run. Hopefully he's ok.

[jack1092]

Nice to see those 2 but surprised that GDC was not declared instead of one of those as Mullins said weeks ago he was forward and ready for a run. Hopefully he's ok.

There's a beginners 26/12 over 2m5 which i could see him rocking up in.

Naas is still yielding, so he might not want to start him off over 2m3.

[charlie]

He wasn’t declared but Capodanno and Gallard De Mesnil have been.

And Crosshill.

[Rooster Booster]

For anybody interested there is a watch and learn timefigure article in the sporting life. Personally I am not huge on times but reading through I was interested to see that Statlers time for the last two furlongs was 2 seconds faster than Blue Lords. It was obviously run at a steadier pace so I’m not that bothered about comparing the two but more thinking that this fella might not be as slow as many think and It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he ends up here . I’ve backed him for here and will do a few related doubles as well e.g. stattler here and ontheropes nhc.

[Fouroverthrutwo]

For anybody interested there is a watch and learn timefigure article in the sporting life. Personally I am not huge on times but reading through I was interested to see that Statlers time for the last two furlongs was 2 seconds faster than Blue Lords. It was obviously run at a steadier pace so I’m not that bothered about comparing the two but more thinking that this fella might not be as slow as many think and It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he ends up here . I’ve backed him for here and will do a few related doubles as well e.g. stattler here and ontheropes nhc.

I think Stattler surprised a few people with his gears on Saturday. Paul Townend commented: "He's similar to Blue Lord in that he loves jumping fences. He’s also matured and they have both made the transition really well.
"He showed a turn of foot from the back of the second-last up to the line that surprised me a bit. He picked up Fighter Allen nicely. It’s a perfect start for him and you would imagine he will make into a staying chaser. It was an ideal trip to start him over".

[Rooster Booster]

I think Stattler surprised a few people with his gears on Saturday. Paul Townend commented: "He's similar to Blue Lord in that he loves jumping fences. He’s also matured and they have both made the transition really well.
"He showed a turn of foot from the back of the second-last up to the line that surprised me a bit. He picked up Fighter Allen nicely. It’s a perfect start for him and you would imagine he will make into a staying chaser. It was an ideal trip to start him over".

Yes I saw that. We now know the clock backs up his quote

[Quevega]

I'd read from the time comparison of Stattler vs Blue Lord.
As a negative for Blue Lord more than a positive for Stattler.
But time will tell.

[Fouroverthrutwo]

I'd read from the time comparison of Stattler vs Blue Lord.
As a negative for Blue Lord more than a positive for Stattler.
But time will tell.

A genuine question here: Does anyone actually understand sectional timings? Are they comparative or absolute? I get the concept of them and that even paced sectionals can lead to good overall race times but how do I tell whether Stattler's sectional times are good or Blue Lord's are poor? Surely if it's open to debate then they are next to useless aren't they??

[Istabraq]

A genuine question here: Does anyone actually understand sectional timings? Are they comparative or absolute? I get the concept of them and that even paced sectionals can lead to good overall race times but how do I tell whether Stattler's sectional times are good or Blue Lord's are poor? Surely if it's open to debate then they are next to useless aren't they??

Seems to be a new 'fad' since they've been used/shown on flat racing.
There was an interesting discussion in here recently (somewhere) about pace and how the best horses are those who are most efficient throughout the race, all of which made perfect sense even to a simpleton like me, but there are some clever people who make a living from studying these things so there must be something in it, as a dinosaur I tend to use my eyes (and listen to the judges in here)...

[Madmoose]

Seems to be a new 'fad' since they've been used/shown on flat racing.
There was an interesting discussion in here recently (somewhere) about pace and how the best horses are those who are most efficient throughout the race, all of which made perfect sense even to a simpleton like me, but there are some clever people who make a living from studying these things so there must be something in it, as a dinosaur I tend to use my eyes (and listen to the judges in here)...

I just see it as one part of the cog and wouldnt overdo my thinking on it as i prefer to mix up my visuals, form, how good the horse can jump, ground condition and odd trend.

[Dandrew99]

A genuine question here: Does anyone actually understand sectional timings? Are they comparative or absolute? I get the concept of them and that even paced sectionals can lead to good overall race times but how do I tell whether Stattler's sectional times are good or Blue Lord's are poor? Surely if it's open to debate then they are next to useless aren't they??

For me (I wouldn't say I have much understanding of them), I'd say that regardless of a horse, you'd want a 2 mile chaser to be finishing faster than a (probably) 3 mile chaser, hence why I'd take it as a definite negative to Blue Lord and a potential positive to Stattler.

But yeah, of course theyre open to debate so it's hard to form any concrete opinion over them IMO

[Odin]

Don't use them, but looking to get into them when I get chance. Can't help but feel they are a lot less effective over jumps than flat. Anyone with experience of using them in both codes agree with that or is it just a malicious rumour I'm spreading?!

[Rooster Booster]

For me (I wouldn't say I have much understanding of them), I'd say that regardless of a horse, you'd want a 2 mile chaser to be finishing faster than a (probably) 3 mile chaser, hence why I'd take it as a definite negative to Blue Lord and a potential positive to Stattler.

But yeah, of course theyre open to debate so it's hard to form any concrete opinion over them IMO

Yes but don’t forget Blue Lord was given a time figure of 137 and Stattler just 62 so I wouldn’t get carried away at this being a negative for BL. Clearly the BL race was run at a far faster tempo whereas Stattler was able to conserve energy. My original point and I tried to make clear at the time was not to compare BL performance with Stattler but merely or only to point out that Stattler might not be as slow as some people think (because really slow horses cannot out speed the field at the end of a race no matter how slowly run they are. People have referred to him as a boat and he didn’t look like one to me and the split time suggest he isn’t either.

[thorne365]

Seems to be a new 'fad' since they've been used/shown on flat racing.
There was an interesting discussion in here recently (somewhere) about pace and how the best horses are those who are most efficient throughout the race, all of which made perfect sense even to a simpleton like me, but there are some clever people who make a living from studying these things so there must be something in it, as a dinosaur I tend to use my eyes (and listen to the judges in here)...

Not strictly true - move that an even pace [when compared to standard for course/distance to understand the actual level of the run] gives the best opportunity to run to the ceiling of a horses ability. Uneven pace uses more energy so means that the horse has a ceiling higher than shown by time / result alone