2022 Browns Advisory Novices (3m) Chase - ex RSA

[ToniC]

I think beacon edge could have finished closer in the stayers if the jockey had just sat quiet for a bit longer on him, was never getting to flooring porter but think he tried to challenge too early and just ran out of steam up the hill

[riccirich]

He finished close enough to the winner for me to not to be concerned about the trip in novice company. Shame he was a NR today as really fancied him to win against TBO and shorten a bit. Will re-evaluate based on his next entry

Imo I think the distance just stretches his stamina to the max, and i'd say he'd be outstayed by a couple if he goes this route, i'd still back him for this though at the right price, every chance he might see it out a bit better this season.

I just think the marsh is the perfect trip for him though, but at this moment it looks like he would be facing better opposition in that compared to here.

[YoungHustler]

Very conflicting from Cromwell regarding Vanillier in his stable tour in the RP as he always had preference for the RSA rather than the NH Chase. Not sure what to make of the below now.

Vanillier
6g Martaline - Virgata
Mrs H M Keaveney
2014-31
RPR 151c 153h OR 150h
He won the Florida Pearl on Sunday but we probably didn't learn an awful lot. He put in a sound round of jumping and he'll either go for the 3m Grade 1 at Leopardstown or the 2m4f Grade 1 at Limerick over Christmas. It depends on how safe the ground is at Leopardstown. At the moment I think he'd be more suited by the National Hunt Chase as his Cheltenham target but Christmas should tell us a lot more.

[Lobos]

Very conflicting from Cromwell regarding Vanillier in his stable tour in the RP as he always had preference for the RSA rather than the NH Chase. Not sure what to make of the below now.

Vanillier
6g Martaline - Virgata
Mrs H M Keaveney
2014-31
RPR 151c 153h OR 150h
He won the Florida Pearl on Sunday but we probably didn't learn an awful lot. He put in a sound round of jumping and he'll either go for the 3m Grade 1 at Leopardstown or the 2m4f Grade 1 at Limerick over Christmas. It depends on how safe the ground is at Leopardstown. At the moment I think he'd be more suited by the National Hunt Chase as his Cheltenham target but Christmas should tell us a lot more.

If he went NHC he'd go right to the top of my list.

[Brooksie]

Very conflicting from Cromwell regarding Vanillier in his stable tour in the RP as he always had preference for the RSA rather than the NH Chase. Not sure what to make of the below now.

Vanillier
6g Martaline - Virgata
Mrs H M Keaveney
2014-31
RPR 151c 153h OR 150h
He won the Florida Pearl on Sunday but we probably didn't learn an awful lot. He put in a sound round of jumping and he'll either go for the 3m Grade 1 at Leopardstown or the 2m4f Grade 1 at Limerick over Christmas. It depends on how safe the ground is at Leopardstown. At the moment I think he'd be more suited by the National Hunt Chase as his Cheltenham target but Christmas should tell us a lot more.

It depends on how he performs when going up in grade. If he gets beat easily by the likes of GDC at Christmas then they might look to go NHC, If he wins (which I think he will) then he'd be going FNC. I know what I'd do with him, I'd send him off out in front and make it end to end over 3 miles.

[Madmoose]

First aim should be RSA being an easy winner of the AB and as others said above if loses over Xmas to main RSA players then can steer towards the NHC.

[Lobos]

First aim should be RSA being an easy winner of the AB and as others said above if loses over Xmas to main RSA players then can steer towards the NHC.

Yeo. That's absolutely how Cromwell will be thinking.

[Lbur4288]

Yeo. That's absolutely how Cromwell will be thinking.

If I'm right I'm sure Gavin Cromwell did hint to that in post race comments the other day. "I think we'd more likely take in one of the big novice chases at Cheltenham" or words to that affect, I'm sure someone can put exactly what was said.

[Lobos]

If I'm right I'm sure Gavin Cromwell did hint to that in post race comments the other day. "I think we'd more likely take in one of the big novice chases at Cheltenham" or words to that affect, I'm sure someone can put exactly what was said.

He did imply the RSA was the probable target yes.

[Rooster Booster]

He did imply the RSA was the probable target yes.

But I seem to recall in the same quote he also referred to him as a dour stayer which left me questioning his commitment to the banc

[Faugheen_Machine]

If he went NHC he'd go right to the top of my list.

I've been completely underwhelmed by both his chase starts and I'm not keen on him at all for either the NHC or Brown Advisory, which is unusual for me given his festival form.

[Quevega]

I've been completely underwhelmed by both his chase starts and I'm not keen on him at all for either the NHC or Brown Advisory, which is unusual for me given his festival form.

I think I might back his grade one entries after decs, in March.
I know it's wrong and I have no proof, but I think they are dangerous to dismiss and might well run big races given the right medicine.
Vanillier & Flooring Porters performances were just so stand out to me - the way they finished their races against the best opposition they'd ever faced just seemed out of kilter from most of the other races we've seen them run.
Pretty much both led throughout and never really came off the bridle and won going away against horses all off the bridle before the last.
Don't stack up for me.

[Faugheen_Machine]

I think I might back his grade one entries after decs, in March.
I know it's wrong and I have no proof, but I think they are dangerous to dismiss and might well run big races given the right medicine.
Vanillier & Flooring Porters performances were just so stand out to me - the way they finished their races against the best opposition they'd ever faced just seemed out of kilter from most of the other races we've seen them run.
Pretty much both led throughout and never really came off the bridle and won going away against horses all off the bridle before the last.
Don't stack up for me.

Doesn't add up for me either - I'm putting a line through the AB win. It's in the 'too good to be true' category.

He's a slow old boat on everything else I've seen and I don't think he makes a great cut at his fences either. I'm happy to let him run without backing him.

[FinalFurlong91]

I can see vanillier getting swatted aside by something of willies a couple of times then ending up being targeted at the irish national ala latest exhibition last season

[ComplyOrDie]

I can't see a way Vanillier doesn't come back to Cheltenham this season, besides the obvious (injury) of course.

His best performance by an absolute mile was at the festival, he was fairly hit and miss prior to that so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until March regardless of how he runs prior, albeit a 26 length victory is not to be sniffed at despite his nearest rival suffering a fatal fall .

As for which race Vanillier ends up in, of course, is anyones guess right now, but I'd be a little disappointed if the Albert Bartlett winner were not to take part in the BANC.