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Tbh I expect the first part to happen, but looking at the final of last year's race, the best horse to come out of it was Born Patriot (6th), winner is currently rated 130. I don't see how JWM doesn't beat that calibre of horse over 2m3f given what he beat at Leopardstown. -
Couldn't be having JWM for the Bally, would lay him on the dayComment
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Think you are probably right Odin. It's hard to see JWM not winning the Naas race comfortably If he's as good as they think he is and if that happens then it's also hard to see them then stepping him up to 3 miles at the Fez.Originally posted by Odin View PostComment
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JWM not declared for DRF as expected. Connections rely on Grand Jury. 8 declared but most likely AB bound I’d guess. I’m on Minella Crooner for that so hoping to see him run well & in doing so enhance JWM form for this too….let’s seeComment
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Are you concerned that it's just 2 1/2 weeks since his last run? It'll be his third run in 5 1/2 weeks too. If wonder if he isn't running for a mark ...Originally posted by Splinterboy82 View PostComment
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Not overly worried. 2 of those 3 would be no more than a decent piece of work on the gallops. Usually get a feel on the GE horses going for marks & he just doesn’t have that feel to me personally….I expect to see him off the bridle before a few but don’t expect to see anything stay on as well to the line. We’ll see I guess.Originally posted by Exar Essay View Post
I do really like JWM for the Ballymore though. I know a lot on here want him at 3m but while a relentless galloper I think he’s got plenty of boot for 2m5fComment
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I’m sure in Saxons Gordon planner MC ran in a race he’s used for his pipe horses quite often.Originally posted by Exar Essay View Post
But on the flip side he seems to have 10 going for the pipe at the minute.Comment
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Indeed. But if he's persuaded the Morans to send both to the AB, MC could be his fourth for that too.Originally posted by Craigy14 View Post
Anyway, I've hijacked the Ballymore chat.Comment
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I just don’t think we’ve seen or have evidence to say Journey With Me has boot for this trip? On the evidence we’ve had he’s a stayer imo.Originally posted by Splinterboy82 View Post
He’s ran once over hurdles, likely getting tired at the end and being closed on by Minella Crooner, didn’t show a change of gear to pull away from Kilcruit imo (who looked like he went a bit wrong) at the time.
His NHF race was on bottomless ground over 2m2f and didn’t even need to show a change of gear but the way he galloped through the heavy going screamed stayer to everyone’s eyes.
Now he could have some pace and we are just yet to see it, unfortunately the race at Naas isn’t likely to show us much as I doubt he’s going to have a stern test.Comment
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I agree, but connections know what it takes to win a Ballymore so if they decide JWM is their best shot at the race we have to respect that…Originally posted by Craigy14 View PostComment
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Surely the point is he should go where he's either most suited or the best chance of winning? Neither of which would be the Ballymore for JWM, IMO. And I'd also fancy Grand Jury in a Ballymore way more than I would in the AB.Originally posted by Istabraq View Post
I feel like it's a bit of snobbery in that the Ballymore is seen as a better race to win than the Bartlett, which I don't agree with.Comment
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The Ballymore still looks like being the softest race of the 3 to me. The Supreme is a monster of a race and the Albert looks like having a heap of very good looking Stayers in it so could turn out to be a real gruelling dog fight. JWM might have just one of Dysart or Sir G or El Fabiolo to beat or maybe none of those. All to unfold yet though. JWM could get stuffed yet !!Comment
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To flip that on its head, they've said that JWM is a completely different horse to the one they won the Ballymore with and they've only won the race once, so it's difficult to tally up them having won the race with a speed horse to them now thinking that a stayer is their best chance and that having a positive impact (in my eyes anyway).Originally posted by Istabraq View Post
I think it's done though the way they are talking. I now expect JWM to go Bally or miss the festival in favour of Punchestown. There's no reason to me why he can't do AB and then Punchestown but I don't see it happening now. The only way my thought process changes is if they go to Clonmel over Naas, which again I don't think will happen.Comment
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Exactly, so if HDB sends him to the Ballymore then it tells me that the horse has the right attributes to win the race.Originally posted by Dandrew99 View Post
Don't get me wrong I'm deep on him for the Potato race and have included him in countless multis so defecting to the Ballymore doesn't help me at all, but nonetheless if that's the call HDB makes then I have to respect his judgement...
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My point was more that just being his best shot to win the Ballymore doesn't mean he should run there. Honeysuckle would be his best shot to win the Mares Hurdle, but she shouldn't run there either.Originally posted by Istabraq View Post
Either JWM is showing something totally different at home to what we have seen, or it's just the wrong call to my eye. I guess we will find out in a week or so now...
I've been having a little side thought, I can't find the exact number online anywhere but I seem to recall this being a fairly valuable race that JWM is going for. Assuming that is true (if it's not, please ignore everything from this point forward...), there are going to be some good horses up against him. Which leads me to think, Willie will almost definitely send something here. Of the Mullins horses entered in the Ballymore who are worth considering:
Running this weekend:
Sir Gerhard
El Fabiolo
Whatdeawant
Bronn
Minella Cocooner
Only just ran:
Kilcruit
The Nice Guy
State Man
Classic Getaway
Allegorie De Vassy
I believe that only leaves Henn See and Dysart Dynamo who could go here. You can guess which one I'm interested in.
He's been off a month now so he should be good to go, and gives another month to Cheltenham. Would be a perfect step up in trip should the Ballymore be an option, plus would give him more hurdling experience which I think would do him good. I know it's been said that he might go straight to Cheltenham, which of course might still be the case, but is it possible this has been the plan all along?
Long story short, DD comes here, absolutely smashes up JWM, Dysart Dynamo wins the Ballymore and JWM wins the Bartlett.
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