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Great to hear it from an owner's perspective. Makes real sense to go for the Naas race which would be far less competitive as well I'd imagine. Out of interest BOF, and no pressure here, if JWM was yours do you think he would be going Ballymore or Albert based on what you've seen of him ??
Remember they have Grand Jury who ran a cracker in the Lawlors imo. Outstayed by Ginto who I see as an Albert Bartlett horse. GJ has surely booked his ticket here imo.
Then you have the easy split of GJ here and JWM AB. Gerri not being entered doesn’t affect HDB’s plans/horses.
Remember they have Grand Jury who ran a cracker in the Lawlors imo. Outstayed by Ginto who I see as an Albert Bartlett horse. GJ has surely booked his ticket here imo.
Then you have the easy split of GJ here and JWM AB. Gerri not being entered doesn’t affect HDB’s plans/horses.
You may be right but I could just as easily see GJ going Supreme and JWM Ballymore. The Naas option stated by BOF for JWM could be quite lucrative for connections going forward and this shouldn't be ignored. If he were to go to that race and win impressively over 2m 3f then the Ballymore would have to be under serious consideration. If however he takes up the DRF option then the Albert would be favourite. It's definitely not cut and dry.
Interesting that Henry/Robcour sent one to the same Naas race last season so it's a race that connections are familiar with.
You may be right but I could just as easily see GJ going Supreme and JWM Ballymore. The Naas option stated by BOF for JWM could be quite lucrative for connections going forward and this shouldn't be ignored. If he were to go to that race and win impressively over 2m 3f then the Ballymore would have to be under serious consideration. If however he takes up the DRF option then the Albert would be favourite. It's definitely not cut and dry.
Interesting that Henry/Robcour sent one to the same Naas race last season so it's a race that connections are familiar with.
It could be but the racing manager has said plenty of times what the plan is though. Understand plans change but they have 2 of the 3 ‘smart’ novice hurdlers with HDB.
Grand Jury wouldn’t get close in a Supreme, he just could in what looks a wide open Ballymore, hence why he was upped in trip after his maiden win. It was a very good run in staying conditions imo.
You may be right but I could just as easily see GJ going Supreme and JWM Ballymore. The Naas option stated by BOF for JWM could be quite lucrative for connections going forward and this shouldn't be ignored. If he were to go to that race and win impressively over 2m 3f then the Ballymore would have to be under serious consideration. If however he takes up the DRF option then the Albert would be favourite. It's definitely not cut and dry.
Interesting that Henry/Robcour sent one to the same Naas race last season so it's a race that connections are familiar with.
I'm with BOF, at this stage of JWM's career there isn't much need to step him up another 3 furlongs, I'd preferably keep the miles as low as possible before stepping him up to 3 mile + when he goes chasing. That being said, the market moves over the last few days would point to him heading to the AB. Strong on the exchange for the AB while weak for the Ballymore, and a sea of blue for the AB with PP going short AB and standout Ballymore.
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It could be but the racing manager has said plenty of times what the plan is though. Understand plans change but they have 2 of the 3 ‘smart’ novice hurdlers with HDB.
Grand Jury wouldn’t get close in a Supreme, he just could in what looks a wide open Ballymore, hence why he was upped in trip after his maiden win. It was a very good run in staying conditions imo.
Could they both go Ballymore ? Could GJ go Albert or miss Cheltenham altogether ? It's pretty clear that JWM is the best of the Robcour Novices so I think they'd send him to the race that they feel he is most likely to win. If that's the Ballymore then he'll not go to the Albert just to fit in GJ. I've backed JWM fir both races but at this time I am none the wiser where he'll end up.
Could they both go Ballymore ? Could GJ go Albert or miss Cheltenham altogether ? It's pretty clear that JWM is the best of the Robcour Novices so I think they'd send him to the race that they feel he is most likely to win. If that's the Ballymore then he'll not go to the Albert just to fit in GJ. I've backed JWM fir both races but at this time I am none the wiser where he'll end up.
It's not clear. Little splits JWM and GC, with GJ no back number having run to a higher level than both. JWM is 3/3 having posted an RPR of 139 on debut, whilst Gerri Colombe is 4/4 having posted an RPR of 137 on debut. Entries, visuals, comments, market and breeding all point towards the AB for JWM, but that does little to address which is 'the best', and no entries for Gerri Colombe hardly enhances his case either, so its certainly not clear IMO.
Could they both go Ballymore ? Could GJ go Albert or miss Cheltenham altogether ? It's pretty clear that JWM is the best of the Robcour Novices so I think they'd send him to the race that they feel he is most likely to win. If that's the Ballymore then he'll not go to the Albert just to fit in GJ. I've backed JWM fir both races but at this time I am none the wiser where he'll end up.
I’d say highly unlikely they both go to the same race. I’d also say it’s highly unlikely Grand Jury goes AB, he’s just been outstayed over the Ballymore trip in testing conditions, stepping him up would be nonsense so can rule that out. Grand Jury has put up the best performance so far having ran a Grade 1 so there’s no way you can say Journey With Me is the best.
I agree they’ll go to the most likely race they’ll win and on the evidence we have, it’s the AB for Journey With Me imo. The maiden he win he didn’t show much pace to pull away from Kilcruit, who looked to have went a little wrong. Nothing suggests and connections comments suggest he’ll not be going Ballymore.
If JWM turned up in this race, he would have an outsiders chance IMO. He's a false favourite at the moment because of the Bob Olinger links. In the AB he has more than a good chance.
Henry knows what a Ballymore horse is and every time there's been a comparison between Bob and JWM by connections, it is pointed out consistently that they are different types of horse.
If JWM turned up in this race, he would have an outsiders chance IMO. He's a false favourite at the moment because of the Bob Olinger links. In the AB he has more than a good chance.
Henry knows what a Ballymore horse is and every time there's been a comparison between Bob and JWM by connections, it is pointed out consistently that they are different types of horse.
I agree with most of this, maybe not an outsiders chance, but certainly be a definite E/W chance for me, rather than at the front of the betting like he currently is.
I know Journey With Me won on debut, but being closed down by Minella Crooner would have me a little worried for a race like this, as I wouldn't be putting him near the top end of any Ballymore list and I suspect Gordon will know how far his others are ahead of this one. There will be better, quicker horses that close down at a finish than Minella Crooner which would put JWM in serious jeopardy. I know he's likely to improve from this, but it's a far cry from the manner in which Bob Olinger done it at the trip first time out, and the fact Kilcruit finished as close as he did when seemingly looking to have an issue himself doesn't add much confidence behind the performance either.
I think JWM will end up skipping the DRF, unless it comes up soft/heavy, and go for the Grade 3 race at Clonmel, personally.
I also think the comparisons with Minella Indo are not right either. MI never won over less than 3m and never looked like doing so. He is an out and out Stayer and always looked that way. JWM has already showed more pace than him and has already won over 2 1/2 miles posting quick sectionals late on as per BOF's post. He is not a slow horse and imo would be equally as effective in the Ballymore. His next run will decide where he goes. As for him clearly being viewed as Robcour's best Novice, those are not my words. I've taken that from other posters on here with closer links so I'll not repeat that.
We can only hope Dysart Dynamo is the solid fav for this after the Moscow providing he doesn’t show keenness during the race.
There is still value for the race and although Gerri has been mentioned rightly as an ew play you have says 25/1 for Three Stripe Life is another good ew bet, he may come third at the DRF behind Mighty Potter and Sir Gerhard before stepping up in trip for this.
We can only hope Dysart Dynamo is the solid fav for this after the Moscow providing he doesn’t show keenness during the race.
There is still value for the race and although Gerri has been mentioned rightly as an ew play you have says 25/1 for Three Stripe Life is another good ew bet, he may come third at the DRF behind Mighty Potter and Sir Gerhard before stepping up in trip for this.
Ideally I'd like him to win then willie to name check the ballymore but he almost certainly won't
Hardly anyone has mentioned El Fabiolo. I think he could be a huge player in this or the Supreme. Mullins speaks very highly of him and he was most impressive last time. He will have a big say how Willie splits his Novices imo and should definitely not be dismissed at all.
Hardly anyone has mentioned El Fabiolo. I think he could be a huge player in this or the Supreme. Mullins speaks very highly of him and he was most impressive last time. He will have a big say how Willie splits his Novices imo and should definitely not be dismissed at all.
Could be anything but may end up in the County after his next hurdles run…
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