2022 Ballymore Novices Hurdle

[Istabraq]

Should also say that I'm pretty much wedded to the GC Ballymore/JWM Potato split and if they are reversed it would kill many of my vouchers, I really think JWM yesterday surprised them, it did me...

[Stormez]

Should also say that I'm pretty much wedded to the GC Ballymore/JWM Potato split and if they are reversed it would kill many of my vouchers, I really think JWM yesterday surprised them, it did me...

That would be a disaster for me too!

[darlojim]

Should also say that I'm pretty much wedded to the GC Ballymore/JWM Potato split and if they are reversed it would kill many of my vouchers, I really think JWM yesterday surprised them, it did me...

Related double could be worth a pt or 2 ista GC Bartlett/JWM Ballymore..

237/1 the double.

I'm very much in the same boat as you and only have GC ballymore and JWM AB covered.

[Istabraq]

Related double could be worth a pt or 2 ista GC Bartlett/JWM Ballymore..

237/1 the double.
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Yeah I like that DJ, will check if I've already got them paired in a patent/trixie but will place if I haven't.
Thanks for the suggestion...

[Istabraq]

Related double could be worth a pt or 2 ista GC Bartlett/JWM Ballymore..

237/1 the double.

I'm very much in the same boat as you and only have GC ballymore and JWM AB covered.

In fact it's worth playing the reverse too just in case I've called it wrong...

[darlojim]

In fact it's worth playing the reverse too just in case I've called it wrong...

No brainer imo mate, just placed it myself aswell. Nice that GC is still a lovely price for the bartlett aswell.

[Craigy14]

I’m still confident JWM goes to the spud race. What he did yesterday didn’t change that at all for me. Kilcruit came upsides him and JWM did not show a turn of foot to get away from him, he just outstayed him. If Kilcruit went slightly wrong (need this confirmed of course but does look it), JWM doesn’t pull away from him at any point until when they are past the final hurdle. The distance between them does not increase at any point from when JWM is shaken up, he finds a length or so, but nothing of noteworthy for a Ballymore horse, that doesn’t tell me he’ll have a turn of pace to go with them in this. It was his first run but it sounds like he was fit and ready first time out wherever he was going to be running over Xmas given all the entries.

I get what they do on the track can sometimes change plans but surely nobody thinks JWM now has a nice turn of foot from what we have seen yesterday?

[JackieMoon33]

Have Robcour explicitly said that they will split up their horses? I know the Morans said so but I can’t recall Robcour.

[Craigy14]

Have Robcour explicitly said that they will split up their horses? I know the Morans said so but I can’t recall Robcour.

I was coming to comment about that.

If Grand Jury wins the Lawlors, then if all 3 are good enough, 2 of them will need to run against each other as none of them look 2 milers.

Different trainers too for Gerri and JWM.

[Brooksie]

there's no need to up JWM to 3 miles at this stage in his career, he's just proved traveling at 2 and a half is no issue. If he were mine I'd stick to the Ballymore and keep him handy, make it a test. The quicker horses won't get chance to quicken if they already a spent force before the turn in.

Also Lobos correctly pointed out that Wednesday will most probably be the safer ground if no rain arrives through the week.

[DeeBee]

I’m still confident JWM goes to the spud race. What he did yesterday didn’t change that at all for me. Kilcruit came upsides him and JWM did not show a turn of foot to get away from him, he just outstayed him. If Kilcruit went slightly wrong (need this confirmed of course but does look it), JWM doesn’t pull away from him at any point until when they are past the final hurdle. The distance between them does not increase at any point from when JWM is shaken up, he finds a length or so, but nothing of noteworthy for a Ballymore horse, that doesn’t tell me he’ll have a turn of pace to go with them in this. It was his first run but it sounds like he was fit and ready first time out wherever he was going to be running over Xmas given all the entries.

I get what they do on the track can sometimes change plans but surely nobody thinks JWM now has a nice turn of foot from what we have seen yesterday?

Exactly Craig… someone also posted on here that the plan was always to step him up in trip (win or lose at 2.4) just before his withdrawal from the race a week before Christmas. It was from Robcour racing manager.. you’ll probably find the quote digging back a few pages

[DeeBee]

A tasty 2m4f maiden hurdle: Journey With Me will run as long as the ground is safe: he has landed a point and bumper with the minimum of fuss and this race does represent his stiffest task to date. A powerful galloper, he will be ridden prominently, and by the second last if the opposition are at close quarters, we will learn if he can dig in and respond if challenged. He is a three miler of the Denman mould, one capable of drawing the sting out of his rivals once he gets into a grinding rhythm. It is important to have Rachael in the plate for his hurdles debut and the decision to saddle him up here rather than wait for a 2m6f or 3 miler over Christmas was down to jockey availability plus uncertainty regarding weather.
There are at least three decent opponents in this race who will develop into 130+ jumpers: Fantasio D’alene is a second season novice and possesses smart hurdles form: he split Vanillier and Stattler at Naas last November in a hot maiden hurdle: he fell here recently on his seasonal reappearance and if none the worse for that tumble he rates the benchmark.
Minella Cocooner was detailed in the dossier and ran a fair second at Cork on his hurdles debut 34 days ago: bound to strip fitter and his performance in this race will be a fair guide to the range of his ability.
Mr Saxobeat(another dossier ex-pointer) recorded a smooth bumper win at Galway in July: I will stick to my conclusion in the essay that he might prefer summer racing on proper good ground.
Monk Street and 185k store Stone Mad are others to eyeball for the future.
Down the line, the 3-mile novice Grade 2 hurdle at Clonmel in February looks tailormade for Journey With Me irrespective of outcome this time.

Quote here Craig… I think the key is the last sentence. The only negative to the above is it mentions not waiting until Xmas for a 2.6 or 3 mile and obviously they did wait till Xmas and still went for 2.4… but as did Minella Indo who then went to the same Clonmel 3 miler quoted above before going to the AB.. Minella Indo was obviously beat at 2.4 but as the above mentions going for 3 irrespective of the result at 2.4 I can’t see what’s changed.

[Zachx02]

Quote here Craig… I think the key is the last sentence. The only negative to the above is it mentions not waiting until Xmas for a 2.6 or 3 mile and obviously they did wait till Xmas and still went for 2.4… but as did Minella Indo who then went to the same Clonmel 3 miler quoted above before going to the AB.. Minella Indo was obviously beat at 2.4 but as the above mentions going for 3 irrespective of the result at 2.4 I can’t see what’s changed.

Only problem about the part about going to Clonmel, I think Henry mentioned after the run about going to Navan, not sure what race though

[Birds Nest]

Just watched the race again and into the home straight you could see kilcruits right hind leg splay out, surely something was amiss, not felt or would have been pulled up. Jwm wasnt exactly getting away from Elliotts horse either. AB or bust for me imo.

[Quevega]

Only problem about the part about going to Clonmel, I think Henry mentioned after the run about going to Navan, not sure what race though

Don't think there is one.