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The Finishing Line have put up JWM for this. Interesting that they said they had to change the lead horse twice with him because no one could keep up with him.
They have connections with HDB.
Just thought I'd share but there is no precedence of information to make much of this.
Only with a free bet currently, although I have just added him further, now we've had word from Gordon and are now discussing him here
I have a small case ready to be made for him, although not as strong as say Bob Olinger, last season, but one I think has some level of encouragement that suggests he may well go for the Ballymore.
Although it’s not a prerequisite, I don’t feel Hollow Games has that turn of foot for a Ballymore.
Although it’s not a prerequisite, I don’t feel Hollow Games has that turn of foot for a Ballymore.
That was my thoughts too although Gordon Elliotts comments seem to suggest he thinks he does. I have Gerri Colombe pegged as his main Ballymore hope although trying to second guess the majority of novice hurdlers this season is proving difficult.
That was my thoughts too although Gordon Elliotts comments seem to suggest he thinks he does. I have Gerri Colombe pegged as his main Ballymore hope although trying to second guess the majority of novice hurdlers this season is proving difficult.
I’ll nail my colours to the mast and say Gerri and Three Stripe Life for the Ballymore, Hollow Games for the AB.
The Finishing Line have put up JWM for this. Interesting that they said they had to change the lead horse twice with him because no one could keep up with him.
I've been pathetically excited about this horse ever since the Gowran Park run. If I had a quid for every time i've re-watched that race i'd have about ?548. He could be incredible. Can't wait for them to jock Puppy up so all my hopes and dreams can come crashing back down to Earth.
The Finishing Line have put up JWM for this. Interesting that they said they had to change the lead horse twice with him because no one could keep up with him.
They have connections with HDB.
Just thought I'd share but there is no precedence of information to make much of this.
I saw this earlier. Although I literally take anything Andrew Halligan says with a pinch of salt. He does tend to cream his pants with anything HDB. I know Tom Raine has horses with HDB, had he of named the Ballymore I would have taken more notice.
I have a few Ballymore related bets for JWM but I’d say 85% of all mine are for the Albert Bartlett
The Finishing Line have put up JWM for this. Interesting that they said they had to change the lead horse twice with him because no one could keep up with him.
They have connections with HDB.
Just thought I'd share but there is no precedence of information to make much of this.
If this happened, I guess they'd send Gerri Colombe to the Supreme? 50/1 for that could make a tasty related double type bet with JWM Ballymore
JWM is an out and out stayer really. Won his bumper over 2m2f on heavy ground. They name drop him as being a stayer.
When the season starts and they see the likes of Dysart Dynamo & Gerri Colombe and the gears these boys have they will up him in trip. One day I hope he’s a Gold Cup horse. I really like him.
For me, all over that AB. Even cashed all of my Ballymore bets out (as foolish as that sounds).
Hollow Games will go for the Ballymore, or at least stay at the intermediate trip this season, IMO, and here is why.
Without wanting to make direct comparisons too much against other horses, his similarities to Samcro (on a performance basis), at this stage of his career, are striking.
Samcro hit RPR's of 92 (from his p2p), 118 (NHF debut) & 120 (second bumper run) - he did then run again in a bumper, where his performance improved dramatically, but for the purpose of race by race comparison, Hollow Games did not run in a third bumper last season, so I have left this out.
Hollow Games recorded RPR's of 93 (from his p2p), 116 (NHF debut) & 120 (second bumper run). It also worth noting, whether it has any bearing is another thing, that Hollow Games started out in the exact same bumper as Samcro did.
Going on from the figures, the actual performances in the bumpers were very similar too, Samcro winning by 9 1/2 & then 1/2 length in his two runs, Hollow Games winning by 7 & then 1 3/4 lengths in his two runs. Unfortunately it is hard to compare the first bumper runs as Samcro was among the fog and you could barely see a thing, the replay is no help at all, but the second race both horses travelled well, Samcro led his one throughout and had to battle all the way to the line, whereas Hollow Games settled in midfield, got a lead and swept by without any fuss, before staying on nicely to the line.
I would definitely have Hollow Games in the mould of Samcro rather than a Faugheen, Yorkhill orBob Olinger whereby he will probably travel as well as anything, and will be played later rather than kick on for home using a turn of foot like the other three mentioned. Though I don't think he is completely devoid of pace.
Both of Gordons Ballymore wins have come from a p2p background, so he ticks this box. Gerri Colombe is also in this bracket but I'll touch on him in a bit.
On from a performance & ratings view, is his breeding. Hollow Games is out of a mare (I'm Grand) that hasn't produced a great deal as of yet, best RPR of her progeny prior to Hollow Games himself was 114, but going back a bit further to his granddam & great granddam you can find horses that produced RPR's of 153 and even 172 (Remittance Man for Nicky Henderson), so there is cause for hope that Hollow Games could become his dams first graded winner. There is a mix of speed and stamina produced with the three generations, so I have no concern on this front for Hollow Games. On his sires (Beat Hollow) side of things I can see why some think he'll be a Bartlett type, because the highest rated horse produced by Beat Hollow over the jumps is of course, current Gold Cup champion, Minella Indo, which is all well and good, but the next three horses in that list have all performed well at the festival over two miles, including two winners over the distance, being the ill-fated Wicklow Brave (County Hurdle winner) & Cinders & Ashes (Supreme Novice Hurdle winner), the third horse is Not So Sleepy, who was 5th in this years Champion Hurdle, so again, there is no real lack of pace in the breeding on this front either.
His trainer, and the other options. As noted, Gordon is fond of sending horses with a p2p background to the Ballymore, and he also has Gerri Colombe, who takes high rank among the novice hurdlers he has from this background. I have nothing to suggest that Gerri Colombe couldn't go for the Ballymore besides the fact his sire has yet to produce a festival winning novice hurdler, unlike Hollow Games' sire, and they also usually benefit from a bit of time to grow/mature, and a fence. I have backed Gerri Colombe as well for the race, as my argument against him is a fairly weak one, and Gordon knows what he is doing when it comes to this race.
For those who do think Hollow Games could still be Albert Bartlett bound I done a small amount of research on Gordons Bartlett runners. In the past 5 seasons he's had 7 runners, two of them (Fakiera & Dortmund Park) started life out over 2m over hurdles and were subsequently well beat in the Bartlett, his main hopes usually start out at 2m 3f+, so entries may be worth keeping an eye on for both, though his stable tour noted he'd be happy to start both out over 2m, which would be a positive for the Ballymore, IMO.
Both Hollow Games & Gerri Colombe are priced at 40/1 (can be boosted to 45/1) for the Ballymore and I couldn't put anyone of either, though preference is for Hollow Games.
But would you want to back Gerri for the Supreme before this speculation?
Not for me - I'm firmly in the Gerri Ballymore, JWM Bartlett camp. More so the JWM side at the moment as I'm more invested in him than any other horse at the moment (I think).
The point was more that Gerri is going to start over 2m and is 50/1 for the 2m novice race, so if he wins his maiden comfortably he will shorten from that price so as long as cashout is available it's a reasonably risk free investment to have for those who want to bet that way (i.e. full or above full cashout should become available if they both stay healthy). Furthermore, with Gerri starting over 2m from the stable tour, it's difficult to see him going over 3m later in the season I'd say.
The Finishing Line have put up JWM for this. Interesting that they said they had to change the lead horse twice with him because no one could keep up with him.
They have connections with HDB.
Just thought I'd share but there is no precedence of information to make much of this.
Without wanting to sound cheeky, they don’t have a f**king clue
Hollow Games will go for the Ballymore, or at least stay at the intermediate trip this season, IMO, and here is why.
Without wanting to make direct comparisons too much against other horses, his similarities to Samcro (on a performance basis), at this stage of his career, are striking.
Samcro hit RPR's of 92 (from his p2p), 118 (NHF debut) & 120 (second bumper run) - he did then run again in a bumper, where his performance improved dramatically, but for the purpose of race by race comparison, Hollow Games did not run in a third bumper last season, so I have left this out.
Hollow Games recorded RPR's of 93 (from his p2p), 116 (NHF debut) & 120 (second bumper run). It also worth noting, whether it has any bearing is another thing, that Hollow Games started out in the exact same bumper as Samcro did.
Going on from the figures, the actual performances in the bumpers were very similar too, Samcro winning by 9 1/2 & then 1/2 length in his two runs, Hollow Games winning by 7 & then 1 3/4 lengths in his two runs. Unfortunately it is hard to compare the first bumper runs as Samcro was among the fog and you could barely see a thing, the replay is no help at all, but the second race both horses travelled well, Samcro led his one throughout and had to battle all the way to the line, whereas Hollow Games settled in midfield, got a lead and swept by without any fuss, before staying on nicely to the line.
I would definitely have Hollow Games in the mould of Samcro rather than a Faugheen, Yorkhill orBob Olinger whereby he will probably travel as well as anything, and will be played later rather than kick on for home using a turn of foot like the other three mentioned. Though I don't think he is completely devoid of pace.
Both of Gordons Ballymore wins have come from a p2p background, so he ticks this box. Gerri Colombe is also in this bracket but I'll touch on him in a bit.
On from a performance & ratings view, is his breeding. Hollow Games is out of a mare (I'm Grand) that hasn't produced a great deal as of yet, best RPR of her progeny prior to Hollow Games himself was 114, but going back a bit further to his granddam & great granddam you can find horses that produced RPR's of 153 and even 172 (Remittance Man for Nicky Henderson), so there is cause for hope that Hollow Games could become his dams first graded winner. There is a mix of speed and stamina produced with the three generations, so I have no concern on this front for Hollow Games. On his sires (Beat Hollow) side of things I can see why some think he'll be a Bartlett type, because the highest rated horse produced by Beat Hollow over the jumps is of course, current Gold Cup champion, Minella Indo, which is all well and good, but the next three horses in that list have all performed well at the festival over two miles, including two winners over the distance, being the ill-fated Wicklow Brave (County Hurdle winner) & Cinders & Ashes (Supreme Novice Hurdle winner), the third horse is Not So Sleepy, who was 5th in this years Champion Hurdle, so again, there is no real lack of pace in the breeding on this front either.
His trainer, and the other options. As noted, Gordon is fond of sending horses with a p2p background to the Ballymore, and he also has Gerri Colombe, who takes high rank among the novice hurdlers he has from this background. I have nothing to suggest that Gerri Colombe couldn't go for the Ballymore besides the fact his sire has yet to produce a festival winning novice hurdler, unlike Hollow Games' sire, and they also usually benefit from a bit of time to grow/mature, and a fence. I have backed Gerri Colombe as well for the race, as my argument against him is a fairly weak one, and Gordon knows what he is doing when it comes to this race.
For those who do think Hollow Games could still be Albert Bartlett bound I done a small amount of research on Gordons Bartlett runners. In the past 5 seasons he's had 7 runners, two of them (Fakiera & Dortmund Park) started life out over 2m over hurdles and were subsequently well beat in the Bartlett, his main hopes usually start out at 2m 3f+, so entries may be worth keeping an eye on for both, though his stable tour noted he'd be happy to start both out over 2m, which would be a positive for the Ballymore, IMO.
Both Hollow Games & Gerri Colombe are priced at 40/1 (can be boosted to 45/1) for the Ballymore and I couldn't put anyone of either, though preference is for Hollow Games.
The Finishing Line have put up JWM for this. Interesting that they said they had to change the lead horse twice with him because no one could keep up with him.
They have connections with HDB.
Just thought I'd share but there is no precedence of information to make much of this.
He is a loose cannon, on there, he said Captain Guinness was going for the Champion Hurdle last year, according to his sources at Henry's.
This time he said it was a normal "hack canter" on a Saturday morning, and they had to change the lead horse twice as they couldnt keep up with him.
WTF were two lead horses doing, not being able to keep up at the front of a "hack canter".
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