2022 Ballymore Novices Hurdle

[Quevega]

Little bit different having the 'pace' to beat Choice of Words to who he'll be up against in the Ballymore, chalk and cheese.

County hurdle that one I reckon.

[DeeBee]

JWM unchanged for this which probably says it all

[Kautothegreat8]

Little bit different having the 'pace' to beat Choice of Words to who he'll be up against in the Ballymore, chalk and cheese.

Agreed

Do you not agree the race will also be played out differently ?

The fact he won today cannot be a negative considering the way the tactics played out.

People saying hes a big galloper after watching that today need to give they're heads a wobble.

They went no gallop at all so how anyone comes to that conclusion today is a mystery to me.

He aint going to the Bartletts.

Get over it.

[Odin]

Indeed. Feels like an awful lot of pocket talking going on.

I think that's a bit unfair. There's having the pace to gallop at a certain pace which he definitely has and there's having a turn of foot for the speed test that the Ballymore is regularly spoken to be. I'm not having that anything about what happened today showed he has a turn of foot. The former he definitely has and was arguably shown again today, which is why most of us (and the trainer judging by the quote?) think he'd be better suited by a step up as he can keep galloping at that pace.

[Atlantic Viking]

JWM unchanged for this which probably says it all

Oddschecker says otherwise. Cut a point or two with most.

[Kevloaf]

You'd think the Ballymore has only ever been won by sprinters reading some of these comments?!



Come on chaps....

[Lobos]

They clearly got the tactics wrong today trying to hold him up but he still won which says a lot about his ability. He'll be up there from the start at Chelt to bring his stamina into play. Big chance

[Atlantic Viking]

I think that's a bit unfair. There's having the pace to gallop at a certain pace which he definitely has and there's having a turn of foot for the speed test that the Ballymore is regularly spoken to be. I'm not having that anything about what happened today showed he has a turn of foot. The former he definitely has and was arguably shown again today, which is why most of us (and the trainer judging by the quote?) think he'd be better suited by a step up as he can keep galloping at that pace.

Henry said on Racing TV that he thinks JWM has the pace for the Ballymore.

[DeeBee]

Oddschecker says otherwise. Cut a point or two with most.

Still 5/1 nrnb with hills which they have been for weeks

[Odin]

Henry said on Racing TV that he thinks JWM has the pace for the Ballymore.

Hopefully he's right - it's a big call that he's paid to get right (assuming it's his decision and not owners). We're all allowed different opinions until then - I don't accept that today JWM showed he has that pace, but in fairness that doesn't mean he doesn't have it and they will see more at home.

PS - in another interview Henry said that he thinks JWM would be suited by further (there's no reason both can't be true)

[Kevloaf]

Are all of these speedy?
Is it possible you can win this race by being a strong galloper?

2011	First Lieutenant	6	Davy Russell	Mouse Morris
2012	Simonsig	6	Barry Geraghty	Nicky Henderson
2013	The New One	5	Sam Twiston-Davies	Nigel Twiston-Davies
2014	Faugheen	6	Ruby Walsh	Willie Mullins
2015	Windsor Park	6	Davy Russell	Dermot Weld
2016	Yorkhill	6	Ruby Walsh	Willie Mullins
2017	Willoughby Court	6	David Bass	Ben Pauling
2018	Samcro	6	Jack Kennedy	Gordon Elliott
2019	City Island	6	Mark Walsh	Martin Brassil
2020	Envoi Allen	6	Davy Russell	Gordon Elliott
2021	Bob Olinger	6	Rachael Blackmore	Henry de Bromhead

[Faugheen_Machine]

They clearly got the tactics wrong today trying to hold him up but he still won which says a lot about his ability. He'll be up there from the start at Chelt to bring his stamina into play. Big chance

I can't have him in the Ballymore and not sure I would be all that keen on the AB either, if they went that way.

Underwhelming.

[Faugheen_Machine]

Are all of these speedy?
Is it possible you can win this race by being a strong galloper?

2011	First Lieutenant	6	Davy Russell	Mouse Morris
2012	Simonsig	6	Barry Geraghty	Nicky Henderson
2013	The New One	5	Sam Twiston-Davies	Nigel Twiston-Davies
2014	Faugheen	6	Ruby Walsh	Willie Mullins
2015	Windsor Park	6	Davy Russell	Dermot Weld
2016	Yorkhill	6	Ruby Walsh	Willie Mullins
2017	Willoughby Court	6	David Bass	Ben Pauling
2018	Samcro	6	Jack Kennedy	Gordon Elliott
2019	City Island	6	Mark Walsh	Martin Brassil
2020	Envoi Allen	6	Davy Russell	Gordon Elliott
2021	Bob Olinger	6	Rachael Blackmore	Henry de Bromhead

The majority of those were speedy types

[Brooksie]

You'd think the Ballymore has only ever been won by sprinters reading some of these comments?!



Come on chaps....

I know right I'm starting to think the Ballymore is a 6f sprint in disguise.

A horse like JWM could completely blunt the oppositions speed by going hard from the front in the Ballymore, he doesn't need an extra 3 furlongs to prove he has stamina.

[Splinterboy82]

Are all of these speedy?
Is it possible you can win this race by being a strong galloper?

2011	First Lieutenant	6	Davy Russell	Mouse Morris
2012	Simonsig	6	Barry Geraghty	Nicky Henderson
2013	The New One	5	Sam Twiston-Davies	Nigel Twiston-Davies
2014	Faugheen	6	Ruby Walsh	Willie Mullins
2015	Windsor Park	6	Davy Russell	Dermot Weld
2016	Yorkhill	6	Ruby Walsh	Willie Mullins
2017	Willoughby Court	6	David Bass	Ben Pauling
2018	Samcro	6	Jack Kennedy	Gordon Elliott
2019	City Island	6	Mark Walsh	Martin Brassil
2020	Envoi Allen	6	Davy Russell	Gordon Elliott
2021	Bob Olinger	6	Rachael Blackmore	Henry de Bromhead

I like JWM in this & think overcoming a silly pace race like today shows more versatility & ability than winning as an out & out stayer from the front. For any SG fans in here who look at the age of those historic winners though….that trend ain’t great is it!