2022 National Hunt Novices Chase

[jack1092]

Streets Of Doyen would be an interesting one for here.

[charlie]

Streets Of Doyen would be an interesting one for here.

He would. If he takes his place and runs with merit that will be 3 credible cheltenham runs on his CV and if he wins, 33/1 will be 33/1 no more.

[jack1092]

He would. If he takes his place and runs with merit that will be 3 credible cheltenham runs on his CV and if he wins, 33/1 will be 33/1 no more.

Issue i could have here is i could have every viable contender backed at this rate lol.

[charlie]

Issue i could have here is i could have every viable contender backed at this rate lol.

Yeh lines have to be drawn. Re my post earlier you could do far worse than put lines through all Irish horses at the head of the market with none or one Cheltenham runs to their name. That would have stood the test of time! I love the Cheltenham experience angle here and it rings true so often. I actually went round Cheltenham on a golf buggy the other day to look at the course and it really does make you appreciate why good experience at Cheltenham is so important, because its such a unique undulating course.

[ComplyOrDie]

Streets Of Doyen screams handicap to me.

I don't think he's at the level required for this race, and also struggle to see him staying the trip, despite the impression he sometimes give during his races.

I think it's clever from John McConnell to get him over here early in the season for a second time (or at least have the entry), possibly look exposed as a chaser, he'll know where he stands with his mark too.

[charlie]

Streets Of Doyen screams handicap to me.

I don't think he's at the level required for this race, and also struggle to see him staying the trip, despite the impression he sometimes give during his races.

I think it's clever from John McConnell to get him over here early in the season for a second time (or at least have the entry), possibly look exposed as a chaser, he'll know where he stands with his mark too.

Solid point, I agree.

[Craigy14]

What do we make of fancy foundations entry?

He’s name checked the race for TBO although he’s missing a couple of Elliott trends for the race but has the course experience. Run Wild Fred doesn’t have Cheltenham experience but is a second season novice with plenty Chase runs.

I think FF’s entry could be to get early season cheltenham form seen as he hasn’t ran at the course before, was it not injury that ruled him out this year for the Martin Pipe?

Hes 137 Irish rating so a semi-poor run into 3rd/4th could see him have a nice mark with a view to the kim Muir? 4 chase runs by end of October, 7 going 8 as well.

[jonthehammer]

Streets Of Doyen would be an interesting one for here.

I know one of the lads who works for John on the ownership side and i told him to get SoD in the Pertemps last year off that mark, He would have gone very close. I would definitely be on that one.

[That Horse]

Yeh lines have to be drawn. Re my post earlier you could do far worse than put lines through all Irish horses at the head of the market with none or one Cheltenham runs to their name. That would have stood the test of time! I love the Cheltenham experience angle here and it rings true so often. I actually went round Cheltenham on a golf buggy the other day to look at the course and it really does make you appreciate why good experience at Cheltenham is so important, because its such a unique undulating course.

I fully understand the undulating bit when they refer to courses that have hills and dips unlike say an aintree which is much flatter and on the level, but what does it really mean when they also refer to tracks as either stiff, tight or galloping?

[Quevega]

What do we make of fancy foundations entry?

He’s name checked the race for TBO although he’s missing a couple of Elliott trends for the race but has the course experience. Run Wild Fred doesn’t have Cheltenham experience but is a second season novice with plenty Chase runs.

I think FF’s entry could be to get early season cheltenham form seen as he hasn’t ran at the course before, was it not injury that ruled him out this year for the Martin Pipe?

Hes 137 Irish rating so a semi-poor run into 3rd/4th could see him have a nice mark with a view to the kim Muir? 4 chase runs by end of October, 7 going 8 as well.

Think that's a provisional UK rating ?
I think he is bound to be on the reserve/considered list for the NH chase and the mark is perfect for the Kim Muir, so it may be a case of who is fit and well near the time, and ground and usual stuff.
I've covered him for this as 33-1 is fine for an Elliot horse.
Run Wild Fred seems an obvious choice but Gordon has not gifted us with an entry here so we will have to sit it out for his potential participation, and the nob-eds might have their say, so Gordon may not be able to commit him this far out, cos of them two.
I've covered Bosses Oscar but his lack of experience concerns me.

[Winging The Last]

What do we make of fancy foundations entry?

He’s name checked the race for TBO although he’s missing a couple of Elliott trends for the race but has the course experience. Run Wild Fred doesn’t have Cheltenham experience but is a second season novice with plenty Chase runs.

I think FF’s entry could be to get early season cheltenham form seen as he hasn’t ran at the course before, was it not injury that ruled him out this year for the Martin Pipe?

Hes 137 Irish rating so a semi-poor run into 3rd/4th could see him have a nice mark with a view to the kim Muir? 4 chase runs by end of October, 7 going 8 as well.

Gordon has so many staying chasers this year I wouldn't be surprised if he has more than one in each race, and probably do what he did with Coko Beach and Run Wild Fred last year and send them to the big staying handicaps over in Ireland. I would say turning up at Cheltenham during the season is definetly a bigg pointer though that that horse could be going the festival.

The staying novice chasers that I believe he has this year are:

Run Wild Fred
The Bosses Oscar
Fakeira
Fury Road
Farouk d'Alene
Grand Paradis
Gars de Sceaux
Torygraph
Fancy Foundations

And that's just the ones of the top of my head

If I was to guess what they'll do they would be:

Run Wild Fred - All depends if Gordon feels like he's blown his mark now. If so then NHC would be best for him or he'll stick to Irish handicaps
The Bosses Oscar - NHC
Fakeira - NHC/Ireland
Fury Road - If he shows how good he looked the other year in the Albert Bartlett then 'RSA' if not maybe Irish Handicaps
Farouk d'Alene - Irish Handicaps (Mainly on right handed tracks)
Grand Paradis - Marsh
Gars de Sceaux - 'RSA'
Torygraph - Ireland??
Fancy Foundations - Cheltenham somewhere (Kim Muir as previously mentioned would be ideal if he can keep his mark down)

[jack1092]

Gordon has so many staying chasers this year I wouldn't be surprised if he has more than one in each race, and probably do what he did with Coko Beach and Run Wild Fred last year and send them to the big staying handicaps over in Ireland. I would say turning up at Cheltenham during the season is definetly a bigg pointer though that that horse could be going the festival.

The staying novice chasers that I believe he has this year are:

Run Wild Fred
The Bosses Oscar
Fakeira
Fury Road
Farouk d'Alene
Grand Paradis
Gars de Sceaux
Torygraph
Fancy Foundations

And that's just the ones of the top of my head

If I was to guess what they'll do they would be:

Run Wild Fred - All depends if Gordon feels like he's blown his mark now. If so then NHC would be best for him or he'll stick to Irish handicaps
The Bosses Oscar - NHC
Fakeira - NHC/Ireland
Fury Road - If he shows how good he looked the other year in the Albert Bartlett then 'RSA' if not maybe Irish Handicaps
Farouk d'Alene - Irish Handicaps (Mainly on right handed tracks)
Grand Paradis - Marsh
Gars de Sceaux - 'RSA'
Torygraph - Ireland??
Fancy Foundations - Cheltenham somewhere (Kim Muir as previously mentioned would be ideal if he can keep his mark down)

Ignore, i'm blind.

[charlie]

I fully understand the undulating bit when they refer to courses that have hills and dips unlike say an aintree which is much flatter and on the level, but what does it really mean when they also refer to tracks as either stiff, tight or galloping?

Stiff can refer to tracks or fences (fought the urge). A stiff track generally means rising ground that places emphasis on stamina. Cheltenham has a stiff uphill finish. A stiff fence has less give in it, hence why they're harder for horses to jump (e.g., in the GN now they use softer cores instead of the former more rigid timber). Tight refers to tight bends. Leopardstown inner track is a much tighter track than Punchestown which is why jockeys will often say Leopardstown suits speedier more nimble horses. A galloping track has wider turns and bigger sweeping bends. Cheltenham is a galloping track with a stiff uphill finish.

This is well worth a watch re Cheltenham on old v new - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i596M4wsHkQ

[Imperial Commander]

Stiff can refer to tracks or fences (fought the urge). A stiff track generally means rising ground that places emphasis on stamina. Cheltenham has a stiff uphill finish. A stiff fence has less give in it, hence why they're harder for horses to jump (e.g., in the GN now they use softer cores instead of the former more rigid timber). Tight refers to tight bends. Leopardstown inner track is a much tighter track than Punchestown which is why jockeys will often say Leopardstown suits speedier more nimble horses. A galloping track has wider turns and bigger sweeping bends. Cheltenham is a galloping track with a stiff uphill finish.

This is well worth a watch re Cheltenham on old v new - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i596M4wsHkQ

Charlie, Thanks, that was great, I haven't come across it before and I watched it all - it definitely helped to set the scene in counting down to Friday!

[Craigy14]

Gordon has so many staying chasers this year I wouldn't be surprised if he has more than one in each race, and probably do what he did with Coko Beach and Run Wild Fred last year and send them to the big staying handicaps over in Ireland. I would say turning up at Cheltenham during the season is definetly a bigg pointer though that that horse could be going the festival.

The staying novice chasers that I believe he has this year are:

Run Wild Fred
The Bosses Oscar
Fakeira
Fury Road
Farouk d'Alene
Grand Paradis
Gars de Sceaux
Torygraph
Fancy Foundations

And that's just the ones of the top of my head

If I was to guess what they'll do they would be:

Run Wild Fred - All depends if Gordon feels like he's blown his mark now. If so then NHC would be best for him or he'll stick to Irish handicaps
The Bosses Oscar - NHC
Fakeira - NHC/Ireland
Fury Road - If he shows how good he looked the other year in the Albert Bartlett then 'RSA' if not maybe Irish Handicaps
Farouk d'Alene - Irish Handicaps (Mainly on right handed tracks)
Grand Paradis - Marsh
Gars de Sceaux - 'RSA'
Torygraph - Ireland??
Fancy Foundations - Cheltenham somewhere (Kim Muir as previously mentioned would be ideal if he can keep his mark down)

Yeah he definitely has a few.

TBO and RWF are too highly handicapped imo for anything other than the NHC or not turning up to the festival.

Even a couple poor runs by RWF I’d struggle to see him get low enough Irish mark to make the Kim Muir when the UK capper hits him.

Fakeira has run over shorter so could easily go for the plate Friday if managing the mark I’d say.