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If he doesn’t put up a decent performance NTO then he’ll end up in the Marsh & turn over Bob Olinger IMO. From what we’ve seen so far, he’s been the most fluent over fences, whether he’s got the actual “class” to be a true G1 horse we’ll find out.
Some statement. His jumping was good on debut, but we’ve seen a few slicker faster novice chasers IMO
Strange to write him off on his hurdles form imo. Different game over fences isn't it. Wouldn't be the first or last to be a significantly better animal over fences to what he was over hurdles, and he's not even got massive amounts to find.
In fact Edwarstown seems the same in this very race. Very good handicapper over hurdles. Grade 1 winner over fences.
Ferny would have destroyed both in a bumper or hurdles race imo. In a chase I'm yet to be convinced.
I am not writing him off, nor am I saying he won’t improve significantly for a fence. He could of course leave his hurdles career behind and progress into a top novice chaser, my point was that he’ll need to because on hurdles form he’s behind others in the yard. As I said in OP, I’d need to see Blue Lord again before backing him.
The one thing that puts me off Edwardstone is that he's 0/3 at Cheltenham finishing no closer than 5th. All 3 were over hurdles though so it could well be he's a much better chaser. Still a negative though in my book. He's also never won in the Spring which is another stat I always look out for re Festival horses.
Yeh they’d be in the back of my mind too. I don’t think I’ll add him but if he wins, fair play.
He’s looked as good as any, one to have onside I reckon, the way he runs his races could be just what is needed.
Oh he’s looked very good, but our 2m novice chase division is rubbish. Willie probably has a few that would have won yesterday just as easily and looked just as good. He a worthy second fav but il stick with ferny. I don’t like Alan King at all cause he’s always a rude prick, so that’s influencing my thoughts on this too!
The tactics were perfect to quell Rivi?re D’Etel’s weight advantage and own jumping prowess, no? It looked a well hatched plan of race riding to me and don’t think he needs to lead if there’s less concern about those in front
Ferny has proven to be very adaptable, they won the Bumper with a switch of tactics to being held up and come through horses. Then beat Bob O with a front running performance, so I won't be too concerned wherever he lined up come March.
Edwardstone is proving himself to be the best of the English but given Ferny has proven himself to be on par with the elite novices of last year is anybody really seeing enough to suggest the gulf in class is being bridged? He's beating the same horses over and over, when weight is evened out there are some improvements but nothing to suggest the 10-15 lengths required by almost all English horses has been found
Oh he’s looked very good, but our 2m novice chase division is rubbish. Willie probably has a few that would have won yesterday just as easily and looked just as good. He a worthy second fav but il stick with ferny. I don’t like Alan King at all cause he’s always a rude prick, so that’s influencing my thoughts on this too!
Not sure that’s a strategy that will pay off!!
Each to their own.
Horse has done nowt wrong and been very impressive in both his races.
You prefer FH, I doubt you are alone, I think he’s the most likely winner right now, but visually I don’t see a big gulf.
Not sure that’s a strategy that will pay off!!
Each to their own.
Horse has done nowt wrong and been very impressive in both his races.
You prefer FH, I doubt you are alone, I think he’s the most likely winner right now, but visually I don’t see a big gulf.
Not backing Alan King horses at the festival is a very good strategy.
Do handicap hurdlers turn out to be Arkle winners???? PTKO did it.
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Ferny has proven to be very adaptable, they won the Bumper with a switch of tactics to being held up and come through horses. Then beat Bob O with a front running performance, so I won't be too concerned wherever he lined up come March.
Edwardstone is proving himself to be the best of the English but given Ferny has proven himself to be on par with the elite novices of last year is anybody really seeing enough to suggest the gulf in class is being bridged? He's beating the same horses over and over, when weight is evened out there are some improvements but nothing to suggest the 10-15 lengths required by almost all English horses has been found
Think there is more than a hint of under estimation in that.
To be honest if I had backed or were thinking of backing Edwardstone, I would not be put off by any of last years form/ratings.
I would concentrate on what I personally deem to be most important….. the horses ability to jump and travel in a 2m novice chase.
Once I am happy with what I see, I will then act accordingly as to the prices available.
Then find out in March whether he’s actually good enough to beat what lines up.
Indeed RB. Edwardstone spent all of last year running in handicaps. I do like the horse, but the level of opposition he's faced leaves me to believe he'll come up short.
Not liking trainers cos you think they are rude??!!! A reason not to back a horse???!!!
I imagine not, but impressive winners of Grade 1 and 2 nov chases over 2m do!!
Ah! Forgot PTKO too
I didn't make any reference to AK being rude, I just don't touch his horses at the festival because he's got such a lousy record. As for Grade1 & 2 chases over here.......purleze.
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