2022 Arkle

[isitmarchyet]

Riviere at 10s looks a smashing ew bet to me now.

EW double with Appreciate It...

[FinalFurlong91]

I agree.

Edwardstone & Riviere D'etel both have achieved more, they should all be a lot closer than they currently are in the market.

Blue Lord has almost done the same amount as Ferny and is 5 times his price still.

Yup

Edwardstones jumping was very slick in winning the other day

And blue lord looked a natural on debut

Hes going to need to improve a lot, he looked good on a good stride but didn't have a clue what to do on a bad stride. He will need to get much better which he may well do but hes now priced like a horse thats already proved it.

[jack1092]

I agree.

Edwardstone & Riviere D'etel both have achieved more, they should all be a lot closer than they currently are in the market.

Blue Lord has almost done the same amount as Ferny and is 5 times his price still.

Have they?

Edwardstone beat nothing impressively...TTL bombed.

Riviere D'Etel has been impressive on the eye but has also beaten very little getting lumps?

Beating Coeur Sublime isn't fantastic given the horse has been out of form himself, but had nice backform and yard upgrade?

We know FH is by far the most talented, and he won nice enough displaying chasing inexperience....which IMO is good to see.

[Ice]

I was tempted to cash out appreciate it last night but kept leaving it, should have been more decisive !

[TigerRolllllll]

Could My Drogo come here? Lots movement on oddschecker

[Lbur4288]

I never take any pleasure in any horse setbacks but I am glad that I took the speculative odds of 20/1 Ferny early doors and I've (at the moment anyway) fallen on the right side of the fence this year. Last year was a tough one to take so I feel a bit vindicated from that. Still have a few multis down from the AI news but I can live with that.

[ComplyOrDie]

Have they?

In terms of moving up into graded races (by name at least), Ferny has had one chase run, and it doesn't warrant the price difference IMO.

Edwardstone beat nothing impressively...TTL bombed.

Literally every horse in the race brought winning chase form (for novices) to the race, and he's smashed them.

Riviere D'Etel has been impressive on the eye but has also beaten very little getting lumps?

The only race she received lumps was the Grade 2 at Punchestown, and she'll still be entitled to receive the mares allowance of 7lbs come the festival too.

We know FH is by far the most talented, and he won nice enough displaying chasing inexperience....which IMO is good to see.

As for being the most talented, that's an opinion, although most would agree, but they thought the same of him during his bumper campaign, yet was allowed to go off 11/1 for the Champion Bumper.

Whether you rate the form or not the figures have both Edwardstone & Riviere ahead of him (taking into account RD's mares allowance)

I'm on Ferny Hollow plenty for the Arkle, and I'm not on either of the other pair, so it's not a bother on me what price he is now, but I do agree about him being an awful price, based on one run over fences.

If Ferny wins against Riviere then absolutely fair enough, he should be the price he is now for the race, but we know he's likely to go closer to odds on, depending on the manner of the win.

[BarrowNH01]

I never take any pleasure in any horse setbacks but I am glad that I took the speculative odds of 20/1 Ferny early doors and I've (at the moment anyway) fallen on the right side of the fence this year. Last year was a tough one to take so I feel a bit vindicated from that. Still have a few multis down from the AI news but I can live with that.

Here Here, hoping Ferny and SWIW re pay me for last years losses

[jack1092]

In terms of moving up into graded races (by name at least), Ferny has had one chase run, and it doesn't warrant the price difference IMO.



Literally every horse in the race brought winning chase form (for novices) to the race, and he's smashed them.



The only race she received lumps was the Grade 2 at Punchestown, and she'll still be entitled to receive the mares allowance of 7lbs come the festival too.




As for being the most talented, that's an opinion, although most would agree, but they thought the same of him during his bumper campaign, yet was allowed to go off 11/1 for the Champion Bumper.

Whether you rate the form or not the figures have both Edwardstone & Riviere ahead of him (taking into account RD's mares allowance)

I'm on Ferny Hollow plenty for the Arkle, and I'm not on either of the other pair, so it's not a bother on me what price he is now, but I do agree about him being an awful price, based on one run over fences.

If Ferny wins against Riviere then absolutely fair enough, he should be the price he is now for the race, but we know he's likely to go closer to odds on, depending on the manner of the win.

Majority of beginners chases in Ireland are wayyyy better than the "graded" events in the UK.

Coeur Sublime, Devilscoachman, YRMU (141 in England). Maybe i'm being harsh but to me, that's better than RDTs form. Given Ed won 16ls you have to say he was impressive but that race fell to pieces.

Winning form fine, but what is War Lord really? A decent horse that's all who is some how a 146 rated chaser. I'd take that with some amount of salt.

She received more than the mares allowance off her nearest challenger in the market who ran no race whatsoever at Navan. 9lb offf Jeremy's Flame also? PS i know there's reasoning behind the allowance and she deserves it, but largely i think her forms...meh.

The talent and bumper win don't really have much relevance IMO, he lost his first 2 bumpers and looked tricky. I think he's a different proposition now.

ps, im not saying i'm jumping in on this price, but i can't say i think the other two have achieved much more in their wins. Given his ability, i'd not be wanting to lay much at bigger prices anyway.

[ComplyOrDie]

Majority of beginners chases in Ireland are wayyyy better than the "graded" events in the UK.

Coeur Sublime, Devilscoachman, YRMU (141 in England). Maybe i'm being harsh but to me, that's better than RDTs form. Given Ed won 16ls you have to say he was impressive but that race fell to pieces.

Winning form fine, but what is War Lord really? A decent horse that's all who is some how a 146 rated chaser. I'd take that with some amount of salt.

She received more than the mares allowance off her nearest challenger in the market who ran no race whatsoever at Navan. 9lb offf Jeremy's Flame also? PS i know there's reasoning behind the allowance and she deserves it, but largely i think her forms...meh.

The talent and bumper win don't really have much relevance IMO, he lost his first 2 bumpers and looked tricky. I think he's a different proposition now.

ps, im not saying i'm jumping in on this price, but i can't say i think the other two have achieved in their wins. Given his ability, i'd not be wanting to lay much at bigger prices anyway.

It's a price relevance thing, one has won a beginners chase and is 5/2 the others are either 8/1 or 10/1 and have not only raced more over fences but achieved figures and wins to boot. It's not as if Ferny Hollow had a proper novice hurdle campaign for us to compare him by. He's got plenty more to prove over obstacles, despite his potential.

[DenmanSacre]

Have they?

Edwardstone beat nothing impressively...TTL bombed.

Riviere D'Etel has been impressive on the eye but has also beaten very little getting lumps?

They both achieved good times in their wins.

I think Edwardstone would beat TTL 9 times of 10. People were excited with TTL as he is a flashy jumper but he beat a load of dross both times.

RD has been very very good against the clock. Loss of the WFA will reduce her chances but she has looked a natural and has improved from last year. She's beat Jeremys Flame, who gave Concertista a test, Cape Gentleman who started fave and hammered Embittered twice. She will also continue getting 7 pounds from them for the sex allowance.

[jack1092]

They both achieved good times in their wins.

I think Edwardstone would beat TTL 9 times of 10. People were excited with TTL as he is a flashy jumper but he beat a load of dross both times.

RD has been very very good against the clock. Loss of the WFA will reduce her chances but she has looked a natural and has improved from last year. She's beat Jeremys Flame, who gave Concertista a test, Cape Gentleman who started fave and hammered Embittered twice. She will also continue getting 7 pounds from them for the sex allowance.

If there's one of the two i'd probably have shorter it's the 10/1 on Riviere.

Agreed on the ED>TTL thing but not sure i'm mad on either for this. General 7/1. Probably another indicator of the bookies stance this year....

[DenmanSacre]

If there's one of the two i'd probably have shorter it's the 10/1 on Riviere.

Agreed on the ED>TTL thing but not sure i'm mad on either for this. General 7/1. Probably another indicator of the bookies stance this year....

I wouldn't be keen on Edwardstone either. I'll most likely only have RD, FH and BL backed and if something else wins on the day, so be it, as I can't see anything else coming out now to stake a claim unless My Drogo or Bob drop down in trip or Elixir D'Ainay makes a reappearance somewhere.

[ToniC]

Will rivi?re detel’s weight for age allowance have evaporated completely in GB by March?

[Quevega]

Will rivi?re detel’s weight for age allowance have evaporated completely in GB by March?

yep, just mares allowance will be left