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I posted the latest about 2 hours ago on the thread.Originally posted by Atlantic Viking View PostComment
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Did Gordon say anything post race about Riviere being aimed at the Grade 1 at Xmas? That’ll be interesting if she takes on Ferny Hollow there, would likely decide if Ferny is their Arkle horse or not before the DRF imo.
I’m hoping appreciate it runs next weekend and then I think he’d go for the novice chase in Jan that Energumene won last year before going to the DRF. Gives him time between the beginners and then novice chase and then step up to graded company. The DRF ultimately deciding, if both win their respective races up to that point.Comment
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Morans on holiday over Xmas so Riviere ran this weekend so they could see her. Probably won't be out over Christmas.Originally posted by Craigy14 View Post
With AI, he is now 7 going on 8 and so he may not have as much improvement from novice hurdling to novice chasing as others. However, based on last year, he probably doesn't need to have much improvement as he was clear of everything over 2m (obviously we can't tell how well Ferny would have done but his beating of BO over 2m was a great piece of form).
Those behind him in the Supreme have disappointed since. The only one to win since is Soaring Glory and the form of that race isn't working out well. AI did trounce them but he does have questions and isn't the cert that some people believe he is.Comment
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Did they ever say that she wouldn’t run as they were on holiday? Would seem daft to rule her out for a bit of sun, when it’s her best chance of winning a grade 1 she’ll ever have- you’d imagine anyway.Originally posted by DenmanSacre View Post
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That’s what I would have thought too. Considering how much money they are spending in the sport, which is great, they’ll surely want to see some Grade 1 prizes.Originally posted by jack1092 View Post
She’ll get a good bit of weight from Ferny at Xmas, should they both take up the engagement and will be her last chance to get the weight for age allowance.Comment
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Elliott said: “She’s a good mare. Whether we go for something at Christmas or not, I don’t know.Originally posted by jack1092 View Post
“She’s had two runs now and Noel and Valerie are away on holidays for Christmas, we came here for that reason. We’ll see how she is and how she comes out of the race.
“Denis said she’s actually become really relaxed when she gets to the front. They didn’t let her away and she jumped very professionally. I’m very happy with her.”
That's on ATR. Leaving it open but she has had 3 runs now over fences (not sure why he said 2). They've not ruled it out but I wouldn't back her ante post for it.
If she did turn up, I could see her beating Ferny with all of the allowances as she looks so natural over fences and is incredibly speedy.Comment
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There aren't really any judgements to be made, or decisions on which race after that performance. It was a decent start from a novice, and he'll have learnt for next time. There would be no reason to be pushing him up in trip, and I'd be pretty sure that's the way it'll remain unless something happens on the racecourse to convince them that he needs further.
From a betting perspective I'd prefer to see Ferny in the Marsh, but if Willie keeps Appreciate It and Ferny Hollow apart as seems likely, I'd expect to see them both in the Arkle.
So given I like making money and not handing it over to the bookies without a run, I'll ignore what I want to happen and follow what I think will happen, and most likely after his next run I'll consider adjusting my position with an Arkle bias.Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.Comment
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Are you saying you think they’ll be kept apart Spectre? Or that they’ll both run in the Arkle? Couldn’t establish from the aboveOriginally posted by Spectre View PostComment
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I think they'll be kept apart before the Arkle Dee Bee. My natural assumption therefore is that they'll both go to the Arkle because they'll be unbeaten (barring a fall), because of the lack of credible opposition.
Essentially neither horse will give Willie a reason to up them in trip.Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.Comment
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Thanks Spectre that makes sense now. I’d settle for either as an Arkle winner but appreciate it stepping up would be my preference if either were to. I have quite a few combinations covered regardless having focused some early big doubles around these pair and BobOriginally posted by Spectre View PostComment
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Edwardstone goes to the top of Timeforms ratings for Novice Chasers on 159 after his Sandown blitz.Comment
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Ferney Hollow 5/1 into 100/30 today with Paddy Power/Betfair.Comment
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