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The concern for me is Ferny still needs to learn to settle.
...and that he's only jumped 8 hurdles...
...and that the 'strong form' he has doesn't factor in Appreciate It and Bob Olinger may have improved
...and that we've never seen him jump...
If he gets cut for the Arkle based on the stable tour I might lay him
For me, I think people get too excited about Appreciate It (Matt Chapman reckons he's better than Bob Olinger which I thought was nonsense). He's good - yes, but I can't help but feel that he's not beaten the absolute best in the division like Ferny and Bob Olinger have. I think both would beat him. I think Ferny Hollow has an absolutely unreal turn of foot which suits the shortest distance better than any other horse and the only issue is if he has returned from his setback as the same horse. If so, I'd have them both down as Arkle horses and I'd have Ferny Hollow winning it too.
Thing about Ferny Hollow is anyone connected to him is raving about him and not exclusively just because he won the bumper and beat Bob. Rewatched a few previews which has some Mullins yarders and they all mentioned Ferny Hollow as one of the pick of the lot if not the pick. He's obviously got quirks and seems brittle but he must be doing monstrous stuff at home.
If Mullins didn't have fine options already in the RSA I'd nearly do a Ferny-Bob-AI treble across the three races. I'll die on the cross that Appreciate It needs much further, and if he wins the Arkle on the snaff I'll still insist on it twelve months later!!!
For me, I think people get too excited about Appreciate It (Matt Chapman reckons he's better than Bob Olinger which I thought was nonsense). He's good - yes, but I can't help but feel that he's not beaten the absolute best in the division like Ferny and Bob Olinger have. I think both would beat him. I think Ferny Hollow has an absolutely unreal turn of foot which suits the shortest distance better than any other horse and the only issue is if he has returned from his setback as the same horse. If so, I'd have them both down as Arkle horses and I'd have Ferny Hollow winning it too.
I reckon he's better than Bob Olinger. Nothing you said after made me agree that it's nonsense to think that.
I'd have definitely fancied Appreciate It to beat Bob Olinger in the Ballymore. I think Appreciate It would be better over further, and I think he'd also beat Bob Olinger at 2 miles.
Both very, very, very good horses. Hopefully they both improve as chasers, or at least maintain the same levels.
Thing about Ferny Hollow is anyone connected to him is raving about him and not exclusively just because he won the bumper and beat Bob. Rewatched a few previews which has some Mullins yarders and they all mentioned Ferny Hollow as one of the pick of the lot if not the pick. He's obviously got quirks and seems brittle but he must be doing monstrous stuff at home.
If Mullins didn't have fine options already in the RSA I'd nearly do a Ferny-Bob-AI treble across the three races. I'll die on the cross that Appreciate It needs much further, and if he wins the Arkle on the snaff I'll still insist on it twelve months later!!!
The list of horses that yards rave about that don't ever hit the heights is one of the longest lists you can draw up though?
I do agree regarding Appreciate It, I think he's a candidate for the Gold Cup in 2023. It's just whether age catches up with him (or to word that slightly better, whether he loses the edge he's had in terms of age) as he's 7 already.
For me, I think people get too excited about Appreciate It (Matt Chapman reckons he's better than Bob Olinger which I thought was nonsense). He's good - yes, but I can't help but feel that he's not beaten the absolute best in the division like Ferny and Bob Olinger have. I think both would beat him. I think Ferny Hollow has an absolutely unreal turn of foot which suits the shortest distance better than any other horse and the only issue is if he has returned from his setback as the same horse. If so, I'd have them both down as Arkle horses and I'd have Ferny Hollow winning it too.
Ferny Hollow hasn't got a turn of foot though has he ??
Have you watched all his races ?
The Bumper he won, was a staying performance, not a sprinting one.
Bob Olinger looks to have more speed though, I'd go along with that.
Ferny Hollow hasn't got a turn of foot though has he ??
Have you watched all his races ?
The Bumper he won, was a staying performance, not a sprinting one.
Bob Olinger looks to have more speed though, I'd go along with that.
Different perspective I guess but the way he eased past Appreciate It (I'm not saying he's not good, I just think Bob/Ferny are better) in the bumper looked more pacey to me as AI is a pacey sort too and then against Bob Olinger he had enough pace to get enough of a lead before Bob Olinger started to stay on (which convinced me Bob would be better over slightly longer).
I'm probably in the minority but at 100% fitness/wellbeing I still believe Appreciate It is the weakest of the three.
Different perspective I guess but the way he eased past Appreciate It (I'm not saying he's not good, I just think Bob/Ferny are better) in the bumper looked more pacey to me as AI is a pacey sort too and then against Bob Olinger he had enough pace to get enough of a lead before Bob Olinger started to stay on (which convinced me Bob would be better over slightly longer).
I'm probably in the minority but at 100% fitness/wellbeing I still believe Appreciate It is the weakest of the three.
Ferny does have the gears and it was heavy when he met Bob i feel if less testing that day he would of extended his winning margin.
Also Appreciate It didn’t he clock some exceptional time figure in a 2m4f bumper one time and all the clock heads were raving about?
I reckon he's better than Bob Olinger. Nothing you said after made me agree that it's nonsense to think that.
I'd have definitely fancied Appreciate It to beat Bob Olinger in the Ballymore. I think Appreciate It would be better over further, and I think he'd also beat Bob Olinger at 2 miles.
Both very, very, very good horses. Hopefully they both improve as chasers, or at least maintain the same levels.
As I've said in my other reply I believe all three are excellent horses, no doubt about that. I agree that Appreciate It would be better over further (I was all over him for the Ballymore last season) but at 2 miles I think Ferny Hollow is better. Him and Bob Olinger are harder to separate but I do think Bob would edge it for me (moreso at the mid distances than the 2 mile races). I'm happy to be proven wrong but I would like to see Appreciate It this season against some better fields than he has so far.
The Walsh factor.
Wonder how many stables now have this, if any ?
I Bet Rachel is close to having an influence with some of Henry's owners
If it ever happened again, it'd probably take another decade of being at the top level for her (or anyone) before they'dpush for it, and even then it depends where the power lies at the time etc.
Ferny does have the gears and it was heavy when he met Bob i feel if less testing that day he would of extended his winning margin.
Also Appreciate It didn’t he clock some exceptional time figure in a 2m4f bumper one time and all the clock heads were raving about?
Possibly would have but on the contrary the ground also probably didn't help Bob Olinger that day. Yes I recall the massive plunge for AI for the Champion Bumper after that. I am not trying to crab him at all I just think that Ferny Hollow and Bob Olinger were the two best novice hurdlers last year with Appreciate It a close third.
Just on Ferny Hollow, he didn't get an entry for the Morgiana, has anyone heard that he's had a set back or anything like that? I've read that he was further behind the others....
Mullins has previous for not really explaining things and then just silence.... would anyone be shocked if he wasn't seen this side of Christmas?
I'd be reluctant to back him before seeing an entry, I really would.
Nothing stopping him popping up like Cilaos Emery / Chacun Pour Soi after Christmas and throwing the hat in the ring, but by that stage, something else will be flavour of the month and we MIGHT even get a bit of value?
Alarm bells for me at this stage with Ferny Hollow. Not sure the above is accurate before anyone says, but not seen anything to the contrary? Hopefully it comes out in more detail after today.
Different perspective I guess but the way he eased past Appreciate It (I'm not saying he's not good, I just think Bob/Ferny are better) in the bumper looked more pacey to me as AI is a pacey sort too and then against Bob Olinger he had enough pace to get enough of a lead before Bob Olinger started to stay on (which convinced me Bob would be better over slightly longer).
I'm probably in the minority but at 100% fitness/wellbeing I still believe Appreciate It is the weakest of the three.
I view Ferny's bumper win like the one Kilcruit won in Dublin.
A strong staying performance that looks better than it is cos the pace of the race at the front end was too fast overall.
Which could easily work in an arkle off a really good gallop, don't get me wrong.
It's the use of the phrase turn of foot that I'm not on board with. I think he's just capable of cruising for longer, not so much picking up.
I'd have Bob Olinger as the best/classiest most versatile of all three. I'd back him on that basis, as I think he's the more pliable/adaptable.
The other 2 are pretty similar, although Appreciate It has achieved more now obviously.
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