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If Edwardstone wins, I feel like I'll really fancy him in the Arkle.
If Third Time Lucki wins though, I'll feel like the Irish have it won.
That's an odd way of looking at it, isn't it?
Edwardstone looks like he’ll be around Evs on Saturday which I could get stuck into, not sure there’s any obvious reason why TTL should reverse form.
As for the Arkle, Ireland are big favs I think…
Edwardstone looks like he’ll be around Evs on Saturday which I could get stuck into, not sure there’s any obvious reason why TTL should reverse form.
Do you not think if Skelton can hold on to TTL like he did at Doncaster that he'd get closer or potentially reverse the form? For Pleasure runs again so he'll get a tow into the race at pace that would suit him.
He basically ran with the brakes off for the whole race in the Henry VIII and ultimately blew his chances.
Do you not think if Skelton can hold on to TTL like he did at Doncaster that he'd get closer or potentially reverse the form? For Pleasure runs again so he'll get a tow into the race at pace that would suit him.
He basically ran with the brakes off for the whole race in the Henry VIII and ultimately blew his chances.
He could, and probably should get closer CoD, but for me Edwardstone was the better hurdler and is the better chaser so unlikely to get his head in front…
He could, and probably should get closer CoD, but for me Edwardstone was the better hurdler and is the better chaser so unlikely to get his head in front…
Yeah fair point on the hurdling. I'd just counter that and say Edwardstone had two seasons to achieve a rating better than TTL. Their novice hurdle seasons on their own would have TTL ahead though.
I think you'd struggle to argue that wouldn't you?
Finian's Rainbow, Long Run, Voy Por Ustedes..... only Nube Negra really from 2nd place that's done anything.... and time will tell that was a bit of a fluke IMO.
Yeah fair point on the hurdling. I'd just counter that and say Edwardstone had two seasons to achieve a rating better than TTL. Their novice hurdle seasons on their own would have TTL ahead though.
Certainly makes for an interesting match up
Whilst true CoD, I’d question why it matters. When they both stopped hurdling Edwardstone had a higher rating than TTL. TTL might, with another season hurdling, have surpassed him. But he might not have done. When they raced Edwardstone finished ahead carrying 5lb more.
They’ve gone chasing at the same time so potential hurdling improvement isn’t really relevant, IMO. TTL’s improved race tactics will be the reason he beats Edwardstone, not that I think he will. Edwardstone is the highest rated hurdler of the main protagonists in the Arkle and clearly has taken to fences, visually, on the clock, and in terms of results. The Mullins trio do look very good and possibly have more upside, as does TTL, but it’s no given. Edwardstone is where he is in the market on merit. TTL still needs to prove his, IMO.
I think you'd struggle to argue that wouldn't you?
Finian's Rainbow, Long Run, Voy Por Ustedes..... only Nube Negra really from 2nd place that's done anything.... and time will tell that was a bit of a fluke IMO.
I was looking more recently Kev which IMO is more relevent to what is happening today and in the near future. Stats are in the eye of the beholder of course.
Whilst true CoD, I’d question why it matters. When they both stopped hurdling Edwardstone had a higher rating than TTL. TTL might, with another season hurdling, have surpassed him. But he might not have done. When they raced Edwardstone finished ahead carrying 5lb more.
I didn't bring up the hurdles form initially, I was just replying about it, but it matters because of horse development.
A horse is more likely to improve beyond it's novice season, whether that be hurdling or chasing. Edwardstone was a second season hurdler, so was entitled to achieve the levels he did. And if TTL stayed hurdling he'd have likely improved and got to where Edwardstone ended up.
What relevance does it have now they are chasing? Very little, but again, it's not a point I initially bought up.
As for their performances over fences to date, provided TTL is ridden how he was LTO then I think you'll see a much closer result and a possible reversal of the form, IMO. For me, tactics matter, a fair amount. TTL set himself up with a target on his back in the Henry VIII and Edwardstone duly obliged.
I was looking more recently Kev which IMO is more relevent to what is happening today and in the near future. Stats are in the eye of the beholder of course.
Yeah fair enough.
Either way, the 1-2 in the Kingmaker G2 I think we can both agree probably isn't worth us getting caught up on
I didn't bring up the hurdles form initially, I was just replying about it, but it matters because of horse development.
A horse is more likely to improve beyond it's novice season, whether that be hurdling or chasing. Edwardstone was a second season hurdler, so was entitled to achieve the levels he did. And if TTL stayed hurdling he'd have likely improved and got to where Edwardstone ended up.
What relevance does it have now they are chasing? Very little, but again, it's not a point I initially bought up.
As for their performances over fences to date, provided TTL is ridden how he was LTO then I think you'll see a much closer result and a possible reversal of the form, IMO. For me, tactics matter, a fair amount. TTL set himself up with a target on his back in the Henry VIII and Edwardstone duly obliged.
Do you think TTL is a bet at the weekend?
I'm hoping Edwardstone confirms the form.
I liked TTL at the start of the season but Edwardstone beat him fairly and the change of tactics for me isn't justified in the odds. I think ridden better, TTL still has ground to make up.
I am not confident about it, but they're probably correctly priced as I don't think I'd back either this weekend.
Do you not think if Skelton can hold on to TTL like he did at Doncaster that he'd get closer or potentially reverse the form? For Pleasure runs again so he'll get a tow into the race at pace that would suit him.
He basically ran with the brakes off for the whole race in the Henry VIII and ultimately blew his chances.
I quite like For Pleasure on Saturday. It’s generally a front runners track is Warwick and the small field might result in him getting an easy lead with the main two watching each other. I’m not sure what price FP will be Saturday but I’ll be backing him.
I quite like For Pleasure on Saturday. It’s generally a front runners track is Warwick and the small field might result in him getting an easy lead with the main two watching each other. I’m not sure what price FP will be Saturday but I’ll be backing him.
He's 20s with 365. Think TTL had him covered last time but he's always dangerous, if given too much of a lead. Definitely wouldn't fit with my Grand Annual plan though! Might have to take a bit myself
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