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The Coral Cup Handicap Hurdle

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  • Want to give a fair chance to L'ami Serge in this, available at 33/1 or 20/1 NRNB.

    I don't actually know what his plans are, he's well held by Paisley Park and others so not sure the Stayers' is the right path, but should he turn up here with a rating of 155 I think he'd have a big chance.

    I do realise he has his finishing quirks, but a big field handicap, like the County Hurdle he just failed in by a neck to Arctic Fire off 152 a couple of season back, suits him down to the ground. He'll love coming through a big field, and produced late, hopefully.

    He'll obviously be shouldering near top weight, but that shouldn't be a massive concern, when looking back at previous winners, William Henry 11-10 and Wicklow Brave 11-12 were two of the highest last season who fought out the finish, aged 9 and 10 respectively, and the previous season Topofthegame carried 11-9 when just missing out on winning.

    I would say 2m 5f is about his trip, he beat Supasundae off levels at Aintree last season and that is better than any other level of form that any other horse will bring in to this race. Been dropped a few pounds since then also, which is lovely. Even this seasons form isn't bad, running over 3m against the likes of Paisley Park.

    You'll likely get no horse travelling better than him coming to the last hurdle provided a clear round, it will then be a case him being right in the mind to get home in front. He's a definite each way play IMO.

    Cue being told they have other plans for him that I have missed

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    • Last I heard he was going to Crufts instead CoD

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      • Originally posted by Can't Catch Me View Post
        Last I heard he was going to Crufts instead CoD
        hahahahahaha

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        • Originally posted by Can't Catch Me View Post
          Last I heard he was going to Crufts instead CoD

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          • L'ami Serge must be one off the horses I've been most vocal and negative on, and as soon as I read his name then I laughed and immediately assumed I'd be treating the post to bits....

            I can't though, every horse has their level too and Coral Cup is much more realistic.

            I do feel like we all know he wouldn't keep his head in front though ... but we all know if he ran to his form he'd be very near the front at the last!

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            • Coral Cup and Martin Pipe entries get the weight rises they need today.

              Palmers Hill up 4lb to 137
              Downtown Getaway up 5lb to 136.
              "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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              • An interesting angle mentioned in another place and shamelessly borrowed.

                Saint Sonnet has an official UK hurdle rating of 145. He has an entry here and, if today is just an exercise gallop, a small ew punt at 33/1 NRNB might be a decent investment.

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                • great shout Archie

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                  • Originally posted by archie View Post
                    An interesting angle mentioned in another place and shamelessly borrowed.

                    Saint Sonnet has an official UK hurdle rating of 145. He has an entry here and, if today is just an exercise gallop, a small ew punt at 33/1 NRNB might be a decent investment.
                    A really good spot that, I've added, cheers

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                    • I wouldn't think that handicap mark is particularly leniant for Saint Sonnet. His form is getting thrashed by L'Autonomie and a rating of 145 would give L'Autonomie an astronomical rating.

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                      • Originally posted by DenmanSacre View Post
                        I wouldn't think that handicap mark is particularly leniant for Saint Sonnet. His form is getting thrashed by L'Autonomie and a rating of 145 would give L'Autonomie an astronomical rating.
                        L'Autonomie is an absolute beast!

                        Won the £100k G1 that Pic D'Orhy fell in by 18 lengths. The horse is serious. Most horses get thrashed by her!

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                        • Yes she is a beast. But Saint Sonnet being 145 would make her 170+ with her weight allowance. She's good, but not that good.

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                          • Originally posted by DenmanSacre View Post
                            Yes she is a beast. But Saint Sonnet being 145 would make her 170+ with her weight allowance. She's good, but not that good.
                            I don't think you can take the distances literally, which you'd have to be doing to come up with 170+.

                            I'd rather use the form lines of the ones in behind L'Autonomie, where they all seem to beat each other depending on who is having a 'good' day.

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                            • If we go off the form lines he has with the others:

                              Doctor Squeeze - beat him earlier in the season by 3 lengths getting 2 pounds. Then beaten by Doctor Squeeze the next 3 times, resulting in the latest loss by 6.5 lengths receiving 5 pounds. Doctor Squeeze has a RPR of 143.

                              Always Magic -beaten by AM 9.25 lengths receiving 2 pounds, beaten 7 lengths receiving 4 pounds. RPR of 135

                              Both of those horses have shown themselves to be better than Saint Sonnet so what handicap rating would they get? They've also been completely stuffed by L'Autonomie.
                              Just my opinion that he hasn't yet earned a 145 rating but hopefully for those who have backed him at 100/1 for the Marsh that Nicholls belief in him is backed up on track.

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