2022 Novice Chase Division

[Rhinestone_Cowboy]

I understand that I basically said the same as Lobos, but that's because I don't believe in the 'family fragility' line. I'll take each horse as an individual, that includes performances, which was a good job really, because if I judged Bob Olinger on what his dam had produced (138 highest RPR) before him I probably wouldn't have backed him last season. In turn I mostly use breeding on the dams side to gauge an optimum distance for each horse, and quality produced on the sires side of things. As for injuries I've never, and never will judge a horse for potential to get injured or have problems, based on breeding.

Zenaide has produced three geldings (Bob being one) and three mares. One gelding suffered a fatal injury during a race (something I believe can happen to any horse), and the other gelding has possibly had his issues given the lack of racing and is most probably retired now. Bob on the other hand has already won 5 out of his 6 starts, had no issues, but here we are worried about his fragility still

I'm not saying he won't get injured, history tells me you're going to be correct at some point in his career, but I think it's a worry that needn't exist at this stage, because, besides some guessing on the breeding side, he's shown absolutely nothing to suggest he can't be sound to race when the time comes.

Thanks for this COD (and others) for your feedback on a subject I certainly don’t claim to be an expert on. I think what you have provided there is some decent balance to the original article and will likely result in me considering this less of an issue than I was thinking based on the article itself.

[Lobos]

Corran Cross sold for just ?22,000 to Jeremiah McGrath/R.Bandey. I suspect this means he'll be leaving Gordon's yard ? Thoughts anyone?

[Saxon Warrior]

Corran Cross sold for just ?22,000 to Jeremiah McGrath/R.Bandey. I suspect this means he'll be leaving Gordon's yard ? Thoughts anyone?

That no-one as an owner or even a syndicate at Gordon’s was interested enough to bid over 22,000 doesn’t look great.

No Elliott based Festival plot there, unless the new owners leave him there?

[Atlantic Viking]

Corran Cross sold for just ?22,000 to Jeremiah McGrath/R.Bandey. I suspect this means he'll be leaving Gordon's yard ? Thoughts anyone?

Thoughts are that I cashed out on the NHC for a small loss. Nothing to see here from a festival perspective.

[Lobos]

That no-one as an owner or even a syndicate at Gordon’s was interested enough to bid over 22,000 doesn’t look great.

No Elliott based Festival plot there, unless the new owners leave him there?

Agree. That is a seriously low price. Wish i'd have bid for him myself. He originally cost ?130,000 and he's been place in a Bumper, won a hurdle and now won a chase I a short space of time. Someone has got themselves a bargain there.

Edit......he originally cost 13000 not 130000. Perhaps not so much a bargain then.

[ComplyOrDie]

COD, I know you are heavily into your breeding and I always look out for your thoughts on certain horses. In respect of Bob Ollinger, on breeding what would YOU say will be his optimum trip ? I have only ever gone on what I see them produce on the racecourse and am convinced he'll appreciate a further step up in distance. In his Ballymore win he got better as the race unfolded and flew up the hill hitting the line with enthusiasm ears pricked. That to me suggests he'll easily get another 3 furlongs and more.

I'm far from an expert, but it is a line I like to explore and take seriously when considering a horse, that said, it doesn't define my decision.

His current optimum trip is the intermediate one IMO. I've no doubt he'll get 3m, of course, he's done it already in his P2P but the quality of opposition in any P2P has to be taken with a pinch of salt at times, so his class could well have got him through that anyway. That said, he also shows enough speed for 2m, and it's likely his only defeat over that trip was because he came up against a horse of real quality, in Ferny Hollow.

IF he turns up in the same form as last season, then his mix of speed and stamina will be absolutely perfect for the Marsh. I think, whilst he retains that turn of foot over the intermediate trip, it would be foolish to think about stepping him up in trip at this stage.

I don't buy into the line of 'buying him as a Gold Cup horse', more that they brought him to be a Cheltenham Festival hope, of which he duly obliged this year. I honestly don't think Robcour will care what G1's they win with him as long as they are able to win them, so even looking forward to next season I'm thinking Ryanair over Gold Cup, provided he remains unbeaten at the trip of course.

[Lbur4288]

Magic Daze has another entry, this time it's in the 1.35 Sligo on Wednesday. 2m1f beginners chase for 4yr+ mares.

[Istabraq]

Magic Daze has another entry, this time it's in the 1.35 Sligo on Wednesday. 2m1f beginners chase for 4yr+ mares.

Yep, having had an entry last week they clearly want her to get some early season decent ground experience, would start to get excited if she gets a couple of runs in then heads over to Cheltenham taking the PTKO route to the Arkle…

[Alexmilton]

I'm far from an expert, but it is a line I like to explore and take seriously when considering a horse, that said, it doesn't define my decision.

His current optimum trip is the intermediate one IMO. I've no doubt he'll get 3m, of course, he's done it already in his P2P but the quality of opposition in any P2P has to be taken with a pinch of salt at times, so his class could well have got him through that anyway. That said, he also shows enough speed for 2m, and it's likely his only defeat over that trip was because he came up against a horse of real quality, in Ferny Hollow.

IF he turns up in the same form as last season, then his mix of speed and stamina will be absolutely perfect for the Marsh. I think, whilst he retains that turn of foot over the intermediate trip, it would be foolish to think about stepping him up in trip at this stage.

I don't buy into the line of 'buying him as a Gold Cup horse', more that they brought him to be a Cheltenham Festival hope, of which he duly obliged this year. I honestly don't think Robcour will care what G1's they win with him as long as they are able to win them, so even looking forward to next season I'm thinking Ryanair over Gold Cup, provided he remains unbeaten at the trip of course.

Interesting thoughts about the ryanair, I will try and get him priced up for the double.
Easy cover bet if he doesnt go GC.

[ComplyOrDie]

Interesting thoughts about the ryanair, I will try and get him priced up for the double.
Easy cover bet if he doesnt go GC.

The Ryanair is only the thought process should he remain unbeaten over the intermediate trip range.

SkyBet quoted the double at 25/1 which I think is rubbish, given the Marsh/Gold Cup double for Bob Olinger is 40/1.

[Alexmilton]

The Ryanair is only the thought process should he remain unbeaten over the intermediate trip range.

SkyBet quoted the double at 25/1 which I think is rubbish, given the Marsh/Gold Cup double for Bob Olinger is 40/1.

I agree, that's terrible compared to that.
should be the same price

[ComplyOrDie]

I agree, that's terrible compared to that.
should be the same price

I was expecting the same TBH, but 25's is really bad given he's still 4/1 for the Marsh itself, then the roll up onto the Ryanair, you won't get less than 4/1 for him for that race even if he dots up in the Marsh, absolutely no chance, not to mention the double race risk, risk of making both festivals etc...

[Atlantic Viking]

I remember when a couple of months ago 'Bob Olinger TWAR in 2022, Gold Cup 2023' appeared at 40/1 and it was roundly derided as a terrible price (I still couldn't help myself mind...), so 25/1 for a double that includes the Ryanair in 2 years time is absolutely minging.

[Hurricane On The Fly]

Gavin Cromwell update on Vanillier:

“He schooled over fences during the week and jumps great. He won a point-to-point so I suppose he ought to jump well."

Cromwell added of the Martaline 6-year-old: “We’re delighted with him and he’s in good nick."

[Hurdles or chasing]

Ontheropes is worth getting priced up with Bet365 for the NHC now that he has an entry in the Kerry National