2022 Novice Chase Division

[Spectre]

Are you suggesting you would cut off 16/1 and above shots from a betting perspective ?

No, badly worded. I think there is a point where you do though. It's more about the no-hoper perspective as there have been plenty over the years. Essentially those second and even third year chasers that still qualify and are just making up the numbers. We know which ones they are and discount them immediately.

[Saxon Warrior]

Point well made Ista.

You got to the heart of the matter while I failed in a clumsy attempt to say the same thing.

The second-season chaser idea isn't strictly relevant - it's how much chasing experience they have under their belt.

And the importance of chasing experience for a potential NHC winner is really what I was trying to determine.

I agree that the NHC is a race many horses aren't specifically aimed at long-term - they end up there because either they're not considered good enough for the RSA or failed to lose their novice tag for whatever reason.

But Gordon showed with Galvin that he is prepared to target the race 8 or 9 months in advance - if he's got the right horse - and he certainly seems to have another who fits the bill in Run Wild Free.

The second season chaser plot could work if it was a Gordon Elliott horse, who had ran well, but not won, at the previous Festival.

Galvin and Cause of Causes

Run Wild Fred ducked the Kim Muir this year to take on the much harder race, and the massive Irish National pot instead, which he narrowly lost.

I would class him in their with Galvin and Cause of Causes as one that Gordon wont miss the NHC opportunity, if the horse is fit and well, as he will be going for the Grand National this year, not the Irish one (IMO).

I think the second season chaser theme with the NHC is purely a Gordon Elliott one.

[Lobos]

The second season chaser plot could work if it was a Gordon Elliott horse, who had ran well, but not won, at the previous Festival.

Galvin and Cause of Causes

Run Wild Fred ducked the Kim Muir this year to take on the much harder race, and the massive Irish National pot instead, which he narrowly lost.

I would class him in their with Galvin and Cause of Causes as one that Gordon wont miss the NHC opportunity, if the horse is fit and well, as he will be going for the Grand National this year, not the Irish one (IMO).

I think the second season chaser theme with the NHC is purely a Gordon Elliott one.

Agree re Gordon's. Im waiting for one of his to pop up in the summer races that others have appeared in before committing to the race. I get the feeling Run Wild Fred is one of those serial losers so not sure on him. Mullins runners in the 4 miler on the other hand have mostly been relatively inexperienced first season Novices.

[Faugheen_Machine]

Another that could be interesting as a second season novice is On The Ropes. Beaten by monkfish but was plugging on all the way to finish second that day.

One I am certainly keeping an eye on for Mullins.

Agreed Craigy. I'd love to nab some big prices for him in the any race market. Not sure he's priced up anywhere though.

He could be a Ultima/Kim Muir/Plate/NH Chase/Irish National horse

[Istabraq]

He could be a Ultima/Kim Muir/Plate/NH Chase/Irish National horse

Not gonna be easy to get covered then...

[Lobos]

Not gonna be easy to get covered then...

To win any race maybe??

[Faugheen_Machine]

Not gonna be easy to get covered then...

Need the any race option.

[Istabraq]

Need the any race option.

Which still won't help is he's held over to Fairyhouse.
I know it's the same dilemma every year but these versatile horses are a nightmare to call right, having half a dozen options just makes them an impossible punting proposition for me, and although a nice 'any race' voucher is useful it doesn't allow you to build a few multis for the jackpot...

[Ice]

Which still won't help is he's held over to Fairyhouse.
I know it's the same dilemma every year but these versatile horses are a nightmare to call right, having half a dozen options just makes them an impossible punting proposition for me, and although a nice 'any race' voucher is useful it doesn't allow you to build a few multis for the jackpot...

Paddy Power allowed a twar in multis for a time last year but they haven't got a twar market up at the moment.

[Eggs]

Paddy Power allowed a twar in multis for a time last year but they haven't got a twar market up at the moment.

….Hills also allowed a/r multiples across their alphabetical categories for a spell, but not as yet.

[Lobos]

….Hills also allowed a/r multiples across their alphabetical categories for a spell, but not as yet.

Can't see them doing that again. Think they made an error accepting those bets last season and took a real hit.

[Ice]

Can't see them doing that again. Think they made an error accepting those bets last season and took a real hit.

Spot on, i got a few early lucky 15's on with hills last year but later in the season they stopped it.

[Quevega]

Question.
I've had a brief look, and it's something that I've always had in my head.
But, as someone who rubbishes horses chances in the arkle if they were bred to run on the flat (aspire tower) and actually ran on the flat,
And was dead against Captain Guinness as his sire was Arakan (a sprinter on the flat)

Can anyone name an arkle winner who had ran on the flat, prior to going NH racing ??
Or whose sire was a sprinter on the flat ???

[Istabraq]

Can anyone name an arkle winner who had ran on the flat, prior to going NH racing ??
Or whose sire was a sprinter on the flat ???

There were quite a few from the 90s and until probably the age claim went, 2005 ish

[Istabraq]

There were quite a few from the 90s and until probably the age claim went, 2005 ish

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