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The risk with getting stuck into AI for the Arkle is the risk he goes up in trip or BO drops down, the latter not implausible with his trainers liking for the race. Hopefully we’ll get some useful quotes at Punchestown.
I do wonder if the respective trainers will look to name check races before the start of next season, the same as Hendo and Gordon did for Shishkin and EA this season. It makes some sense to do this as it makes it clear to the other big gun that they can easily avoid each other. If Willie comes out and name checks Arkle for AI I don’t reckon Debromhead will want to head down that route. Fingers crossed for some early indications so I can use race specific free bets throughout the summer on these two.
Willie Mullins has saddled 72 Cheltenham festival winners since Tourist Attraction recorded his first winner back in 1995, and this year's squad looks as str...
I’d be shocked if he didn’t start off in a 2m chase. As long as he’s winning over the minimum trip there’ll be no reason to step him up in trip.
Willie Mullins has saddled 72 Cheltenham festival winners since Tourist Attraction recorded his first winner back in 1995, and this year's squad looks as str...
I’d be shocked if he didn’t start off in a 2m chase. As long as he’s winning over the minimum trip there’ll be no reason to step him up in trip.
I can recall Willie think he was a Bartlett or Ballymore hurdler, before this season began.
And someone posting on here to skip hurdles and go chasing, for the 3M6F National Hunt Chase.
Willie Mullins has saddled 72 Cheltenham festival winners since Tourist Attraction recorded his first winner back in 1995, and this year's squad looks as str...
I’d be shocked if he didn’t start off in a 2m chase. As long as he’s winning over the minimum trip there’ll be no reason to step him up in trip.
Thanks PP, I thought he’d previously indicated similar but didn’t realise it was as explicit as that
I can recall Willie think he was a Bartlett or Ballymore hurdler, before this season began.
And someone posting on here to skip hurdles and go chasing, for the 3M6F National Hunt Chase.
There’s a difference though isn’t there in that he will surely only go up in trip if beat over 2 miles. That is different from these Ballymore type Novice hurdlers who often start off at 2 miles and if performing to a high standard run the risk of never actually being stepped up. We’ve seen this 3 of the last 4 years with Samcro, EA and now AI. All 3 could have stayed at 2 miles and gone for the Supreme, it was perhaps only the fact that Gordon’s stable were on early for the Ballymore that his 2 didn’t.
Now Bob O might also start at 2 miles but highly unlikely that he will run against AI in the early season so if Willie keeps saying Arkle for his horse (assuming he adapts to fences), i’d make it reasonable odds on that De Bromhead decided Marsh for Bob O (no disrespect to My Drogo).
There’s a difference though isn’t there in that he will surely only go up in trip if beat over 2 miles. That is different from these Ballymore type Novice hurdlers who often start off at 2 miles and if performing to a high standard run the risk of never actually being stepped up. We’ve seen this 3 of the last 4 years with Samcro, EA and now AI. All 3 could have stayed at 2 miles and gone for the Supreme, it was perhaps only the fact that Gordon’s stable were on early for the Ballymore that his 2 didn’t.
Now Bob O might also start at 2 miles but highly unlikely that he will run against AI in the early season so if Willie keeps saying Arkle for his horse (assuming he adapts to fences), i’d make it reasonable odds on that De Bromhead decided Marsh for Bob O (no disrespect to My Drogo).
The Arkle and the RSA (Brown) are the pinnacle Novice Chase races, in the whole season, for a lot of trainers still.
With the Marsh often used for horses that can't win the Arkle or RSA, because others are better, or better at those trips. (Gordon broke the mould with the EA plan last season, but that was unusual)
If they havent met before then, I don't see Bob O moving to avoid AI, next March, in the Arkle - why would he?
If Henry follows his usual plan he would look for Bob O to be campaigned for the Arkle or RSA. (He has always done this, to date).
He may change for the first time, of course, and put the Marsh as his target, for his best Novice Chaser, but personally I'm not convinced of that at the present time. Until he inherited EA's plan and only Festival entry a month ago, he had one runner in a decade in the Marsh.
- Does he have anything better for the Arkle or RSA?
My Drogo doesnt really come into it (until the Festival) as AI and Bob O aren't going to meet him until Cheltenham.
One of them may need to take him on, in March, but who knows if these will be three best novice chasers by then.
If a trainer thinks he has the best Novice chaser, there's no reason not to take on all-comers.
They don't tend to shirk a challenge in Ireland, with their race programme.
Looking at the Arkle (further back than this March and Shishkin)
Were these the best prospects for the Arkle the previous April?
* PTKO beat Fakir D in 2020
* Duc De Genieveres beat US and Them in 2019
* Footpad beat Brain Power in 2018
We all try to find some key horses and get the top of some races sorted, soon after each Cheltenham, but its often not as easy, than 2021 with Shishkin, Monkfish and EA.
Last edited by Saxon Warrior; 13 April 2021, 02:49 PM.
Worth bearing in mind that HDB was happy to let Bob face off with Ferny first up last season. He doesn’t strike me as a trainer to avoid horses and who to say AI is better than Bob o ? It could end up AI might go up in trip to avoid Bob...
Worth bearing in mind that HDB was happy to let Bob face off with Ferny first up last season. He doesn’t strike me as a trainer to avoid horses and who to say AI is better than Bob o ? It could end up AI might go up in trip to avoid Bob...
Yep, though worth remembering that some owners have influence over targets.
Cheveley Park allowed A Plus Tard and Allaho to square off at Leopardstown so maybe there is some encouragement for a future Envoi Allen Gold Cup bid while A Plus Tard is around...
- Does he have anything better for the Arkle or RSA?
The main one would be Aspire Tower, on ratings he is 1lb higher than Bob and a year younger however you'd perhaps side with the one with a p2p background. I think the same ownership factor does come into it when they also have the same trainer unless there is nowhere else for them to go. Hypothetically speaking if AT and BO proved to be top novice chasers would you really send them both to the same race, especially if another potential top novice (AI) was also going to line up there? Would be a waste imo.
For the Brown I can only think of Holymacapony and Cobblers Way but they've got something to prove.
Worth bearing in mind that HDB was happy to let Bob face off with Ferny first up last season. He doesn’t strike me as a trainer to avoid horses and who to say AI is better than Bob o ? It could end up AI might go up in trip to avoid Bob...
Henry never appears to shirk a challenge.
He has always targeted the Arkle, the RSA, the Champion Chase and Gold Cup, with success.
There is no way he would take Bob O out of a Championship race he wanted to run him in, just because there was another good horse in there.
There are supposed to be good horses competing with good horses in the biggest races.............Thats what top class racing is about.
We really don't want to start thinking that good horses should avoid each other.
If/when I back Bob Olinger for the Arkle it would be with the full acceptance that he may have to beat Appreciate It and My Drogo, among others, to win it.
It would be the same if/when I back Appreciate It for the Arkle, or My Drogo.
He has always targeted the Arkle, the RSA, the Champion Chase and Gold Cup, with success.
There is no way he would take Bob O out of a Championship race he wanted to run him in, just because there was another good horse in there.
There are supposed to be good horses competing with good horses in the biggest races.............Thats what top class racing is about.
We really don't want to start thinking that good horses should avoid each other.
If/when I back Bob Olinger for the Arkle it would be with the full acceptance that he may have to beat Appreciate It and My Drogo, among others, to win it.
It would be the same if/when I back Appreciate It for the Arkle, or My Drogo.
My proposal was in reference to many trying to isolate horses like Envoi/Shihkin could be last season. Nobody wants horses to clash more than i do Saxon, hopefully they meet in Ireland next season if not next month(looks unlikely) with future battles to come.
My thoughts are that BO will go RSA. He's beaten everything worth mentioning already that's currently listed in the betting for the 3 miler. He certainly wasn't stopping in the Ballymore so the distance is not an issue imo. Whilst I don't think they'll avoid AI, he did look a proper weapon in the Supreme and I just think the cosier race for Bollinger may turn out to be the RSA. With My Drogo going Marsh that's another Unknown for BO. 20/1 for BO with PP though is a very strange one. What's that all about???!!!
My thoughts are that BO will go RSA. He's beaten everything worth mentioning already that's currently listed in the betting for the 3 miler. He certainly wasn't stopping in the Ballymore so the distance is not an issue imo. Whilst I don't think they'll avoid AI, he did look a proper weapon in the Supreme and I just think the cosier race for Bollinger may turn out to be the RSA. With My Drogo going Marsh that's another Unknown for BO. 20/1 for BO with PP though is a very strange one. What's that all about???!!!
I think its more likely given his trainers past race planning, to train him for either the Arkle or RSA - rather than the Marsh.
The bookmakers are suggesting the Marsh at the present time.
Nothings certain or been spoken on the subject by Henry.
I love the way he races his top horses, long may he stay at the top of the game.
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