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  • Any chance Allaho gets re-routed to gold cup? We're in speculation season with the news tonight of course, but just wondering about that with him being another year older and horses supposedly staying better the older they get.

    Having Envoi Allen in same ownership makes that tricky I suppose.

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    • Originally posted by Faugheen_Machine View Post
      Allaho could be the one. He was hardly disgraced in the RSA and then thumped them in the Ryanair.

      He's worth another go at 3 miles for me.
      Haha! Great minds......

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      • Originally posted by Faugheen_Machine View Post
        Allaho could be the one. He was hardly disgraced in the RSA and then thumped them in the Ryanair.

        He's worth another go at 3 miles for me.
        Mullins was adamant he was a Gold Cup horse in making 2 years ago when sending him to the potato race, he could easily re-visit the project…

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        • Originally posted by That Horse View Post
          Any chance Allaho gets re-routed to gold cup? We're in speculation season with the news tonight of course, but just wondering about that with him being another year older and horses supposedly staying better the older they get.

          Having Envoi Allen in same ownership makes that tricky I suppose.
          Or Envoi goes the Ryanair.

          If Allaho wins the King George I am sure they will aim him at the Gold Cup now

          He is still held by Minella Indo and APT on all form and races though

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          • Originally posted by Faugheen_Machine View Post
            Allaho could be the one. He was hardly disgraced in the RSA and then thumped them in the Ryanair.

            He's worth another go at 3 miles for me.
            I'd rather they sent Energumene up in trip than feck about with Allaho who wouldn't stay 3m2f if it was all downhill.

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            • Originally posted by Istabraq View Post

              Mullins was adamant he was a Gold Cup horse in making 2 years ago when sending him to the potato race, he could easily re-visit the project…
              I'd love a price for him to win the KG and GC. It's rare that KG winners don't line up in the blue riband. Could be a nice angle in.

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              • Originally posted by Outlaw View Post

                I'd rather they sent Energumene up in trip than feck about with Allaho who wouldn't stay 3m2f if it was all downhill.
                He was only a length behind MI in that RSA when they both cut each others throats. Had Townend ridden him with slightly more restraint, he'd have seen the trip out ok, imo.

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                • Looking at the trainer affected, in the Gold Cup market, then I would say Asterion Forlonge would get a crack at 3M.

                  I think he was anyway, but to me, it’s nailed on now.
                  "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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                  • Allaho may stay 3 miles under the right circumstances but I see no way in which he stays 3 miles 2 and a half round Cheltenham imo.

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                    • Originally posted by Saxon Warrior View Post
                      Looking at the trainer affected, in the Gold Cup market, then I would say Asterion Forlonge would get a crack at 3M.

                      I think he was anyway, but to me, it’s nailed on now.
                      All systems go King George!

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                      • Originally posted by taylorch1990 View Post
                        Allaho may stay 3 miles under the right circumstances but I see no way in which he stays 3 miles 2 and a half round Cheltenham imo.
                        I'm in total agreement with this. They've been there and tried that. It didn't work.

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                        • The record of 7 year olds and second season chasers ( 7 and 8 yr olds) is very solid as posts in this forum have mentioned year after year. Reigning Champions (aged 7 - 9) are usually in the fray also.
                          Last season the only qualifiers came 1st and 2nd and third.

                          There are not many priced up this year and we've just lost the best of them.

                          FWIW my shortlist and I've only backed 1 are as follows

                          Minella Indo (has to be respected, but price is short enough considering his grade 1 form away from Cheltenham is not as good)

                          Envoi Allen (has a bit to prove, but obvious class)

                          Allaho (a favourite of mine who I thought could have ran a cracker last year looking at how well he won the other race, but likely to stay at shorter, but you never know now as Willie's lost his No1, has a similar profile to Imperial Commander, Don Cossack & A Plus Tard) - Third season chaser but age on his side and ran well in Ryanair (or at least went off FAV).

                          Chantry House (the most solid for me and only one I've backed ATM) - fits the bill as a second season chaser with strong Cheltenham festival form.


                          Other long priced types that may improve enough to be competitive would be

                          Galvin (his price is actually quite fair at 40-1 and I wonder if Elliott will have half an eye on grade 1's now, but the main target is the National they say, so puts me off betting, as does the 4 miler form, as they were all a bit bunched for my liking)
                          Lieutenant Rocco (would want bigger than 100-1 and would need to win the hennessy, so the special may be the bet for him)
                          Latest Exhibition (hate the price 40-1 and would want nearer 100-1)

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                          • Originally posted by Faugheen_Machine View Post

                            He was only a length behind MI in that RSA when they both cut each others throats. Had Townend ridden him with slightly more restraint, he'd have seen the trip out ok, imo.
                            Absolutely.
                            The Allaho not staying is a myth IMO.
                            His Ryanair performance was that of a horse with a big heart, just needs a proper ride.

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                            • Allaho tends to race one way and if he's going to be aggressive which seems to massively suit him good luck doing that in a GC, would be an enormous effort and even a warrior like Native River could only just do it on ground to suit and i'd have him a fair bit better than Allaho.

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                              • Has anyone heard anything regarding the big getaway. Very smart novice hurdle form and looked impressive over fences at leopardstown at xmas. Could easily be mullins no.1.

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