2022 Championship Division

[Eireman]

I'm with your way of thinking Eireman and am also not convinced at all that Cheltenham and the hill suits Chacun. Plenty will be revealed when hopefully they match up. Mullins was excited about Allaho and 2 miles and he'll be given another chance or two to prove himself at that distance. Those 3 flying around the Irish tracks is a mouth watering thought and one I can't wait to see.

Yeah agreed I just don't think Mullins is going to entirely rule out Allaho over two miles after one run going a different way round on a track that is not anything like Cheltenham which is where we are likely to see the best of Allaho at that trip. I think the CC picture is fairly predictable if everyone turns up as expected. Will be run basically the opposite to how it was last year. Allaho and Energumene will battle it out hopefully at Leopardstown which would be a lot more like Cheltenham than Punchestown to see who earns the right to front run in the CC. Whoever loses that will be sent to the Ryanair while the winner will join CPS in the CC. Allaho/Energumene will then go off on a relentless gallop, CPS and Shishkin will track close. If either can maintain the gallop then they will kick on and hope to do either for speed. That is a much bigger if at a track like Cheltenham though.

Could be way off but that's how I see it.

[Lobos]

Seems mad that none of us are talking about the current champion and unbeaten at Cheltenham Put The Kettle On. She surely has to be on everyone's hit list for EW singles/multiples. 14/1 is an absolute insult to her ability and chance. She beat the highest rated chaser fair and square in March and imo the race wasn't run to suit her either. We all see Shishkin as the Champion Chaser elect but until he goes into open class we just don't know how good he actually is. He could have been beating trees for all we know in his Novice division last season. Time will tell.

[Ice]

Seems mad that none of us are talking about the current champion and unbeaten at Cheltenham Put The Kettle On. She surely has to be on everyone's hit list for EW singles/multiples. 14/1 is an absolute insult to her ability and chance. She beat the highest rated chaser fair and square in March and imo the race wasn't run to suit her either. We all see Shishkin as the Champion Chaser elect but until he goes into open class we just don't know how good he actually is. He could have been beating trees for all we know in his Novice division last season. Time will tell.

Couldn't argue with your thoughts on ptko, lobos, she certainly comes to the party round Cheltenham and 14/1 a great price. I remember a lot of people writing her off before she won it this year. That said, i think Shishkin is the one to beat !

[Eireman]

Will PTKO be much shorter than that price on the day though? Doubtful if they all turn up. Then another defeat around Christmas and we will likely see her price bigger than it is now. One that can be added on the day without much fear of missing the price by much if at all imo.

[Lobos]

Will PTKO be much shorter than that price on the day though? Doubtful if they all turn up. Then another defeat around Christmas and we will likely see her price bigger than it is now. One that can be added on the day without much fear of missing the price by much if at all imo.

Yeah, good point. She'll go for the Shloer chase again though in November so if she wins again then her price will shorten. The 2 mile chaser division is going to be something else !

[Saxon Warrior]

Yeah, good point. She'll go for the Shloer chase again though in November so if she wins again then her price will shorten. The 2 mile chaser division is going to be something else !

Like her Arkle year, she could run at the November meeting - this time in the Schloer, and then forget Christmas and come back fresh in March.

[Spectre]

If I were Willie I'd look at sending Energumene over for the Schloer too. He needs to know if he holds up left-handed and preferably at Cheltenham. Chacun lacking Cheltenham experience was a mistake in my opinion, and he can avoid the same thing with Energumene, and make an assessment from there, when he's almost certain to have faced a credible rival.

[charlie]

Will PTKO be much shorter than that price on the day though? Doubtful if they all turn up. Then another defeat around Christmas and we will likely see her price bigger than it is now. One that can be added on the day without much fear of missing the price by much if at all imo.

Really good point. I'd much rather steam into 6/1 on the day than take 10/1 now when anything can go wrong, or, she can go for another race than the QMCC. She's a perfect example of a keep your powder dry sort of horse

[Istabraq]

Really good point. I'd much rather steam into 6/1 on the day than take 10/1 now when anything can go wrong, or, she can go for another race than the QMCC. She's a perfect example of a keep your powder dry sort of horse

PTKO was best priced 25/1 immediately after her Arkle win, 20/1 and generally 16/1 very soon after,.
I can’t remember her SP but I know she was around 14/1 shortly before the race.
Just one of those horses that gets disrespected by the market.

I did some work on the fate of Arkle winners going onto the Champion Chase soon after the 2020 Arkle and I can’t remember any winner being 25/1 to win the QM….

[Lobos]

PTKO was best priced 25/1 immediately after her Arkle win, 20/1 and generally 16/1 very soon after,.
I can’t remember her SP but I know she was around 14/1 shortly before the race.
Just one of those horses that gets disrespected by the market.

I did some work on the fate of Arkle winners going onto the Champion Chase soon after the 2020 Arkle and I can’t remember any winner being 25/1 to win the QM….

Agree, she deserves far more respect. That said, at least it gives punters the opportunity to get great odds on a genuine contender who has a nailed on target. I really do need to back her. She was one of my biggest winners in March and I'm not going to desert her now. As Saxon said, I can see her going for the Shloer chase again and then being put away until March to give her the best chance of retaining her title. She certainly has the best trainer to do that. 14/1 is Mahoosive !!

[Kautostar]

Envoi Allen cantering away being targeted at down royal in November

[Lobos]

Envoi Allen cantering away being targeted at down royal in November

Great to hear. His Gold Cup odds could disappear onto the distance if he comes back firing !

[Saxon Warrior]

PTKO was best priced 25/1 immediately after her Arkle win, 20/1 and generally 16/1 very soon after,.
I can’t remember her SP but I know she was around 14/1 shortly before the race.
Just one of those horses that gets disrespected by the market.

I did some work on the fate of Arkle winners going onto the Champion Chase soon after the 2020 Arkle and I can’t remember any winner being 25/1 to win the QM….

Thats why I snaffled the only 33/1 QMCC from Betfred in the first quotes coming out, I couldnt believe a horse that had beaten everyone but Fakir D by around 20 lenghts in an Arkle could be 33s from the QMCC.

It didnt last for long on Arkle evening.

[Alexmilton]

The more I watch it back, the more I think about building a big stake in a plus tard for the Gold Cup

[Spectre]

The more I watch it back, the more I think about building a big stake in a plus tard for the Gold Cup

The problem with going too heavy on a horse like A Plus Tard is I can't remember the last time a horse beaten in its first Gold Cup came back the next time and won, and very many have tried.

Someone with a better memory than me may be able to name the last time it happened?

A Plus Tard has to be an each way or place bet to my mind. There are plenty of placers than have come back and done the same thing.