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2022 Novice Hurdle Division

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  • Originally posted by Spectre View Post

    But chose not to Jackie, which felt like a change of plan and is what made me think they may have saved him for bumpers. Whilst it's not De Bromhead's usual MO, it is Cheveley's, and perhaps they thought of all three new recruits together and how best to avoid each other this season. The other two were sent to bumpers and weren't held back, and it all felt deliberate.

    Given Cheveley are effectively out of the game and aren't buying any more horses for the jumps, Guily Billy being held back avoids clashes, and would give them one extra season in novice hurdles too.
    Guily Billy was declared but pulled out injured (stone bruise) rather than any strategic decision.

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    • Originally posted by JackieMoon33 View Post

      The current bunch are not bumper horses though and were bought to be Gold Cup horses. Previously they’d bought types that could handle running in bumpers but Classic Getaway and Grangeclare West need to be jumping and over a trip.
      Plenty of future Staying types have won the Bumper and Mullins has been known to bypass hurdles and throw one straight over fences having won the Bumper. Long time ago with Florida Pearl who won the following years RSA but he at least has history. That could be an option ? (He says, clutching at straws)

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      • Originally posted by Spectre View Post

        Guily Billy is a Coastal Path out of a Dom Alco Mare so should be sharp enough for bumpers at the moment you'd think. He'll certainly start down the bumper route, the trouble is HdB usually has a quiet bumper season with them or gets them over hurdles quickly. Given it's Cheveley with the success they've had going down this route, they may still aim him at the Champion Bumper though.
        Yes Spectre.................I like !!!

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        • With what feels like the top 10-15 in the Bumper betting supposedly bypassing the race according to all and sundry, there is another 50/1+ Bumper winner itching to be backed. Who is it though........

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          • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

            Plenty of future Staying types have won the Bumper and Mullins has been known to bypass hurdles and throw one straight over fences having won the Bumper. Long time ago with Florida Pearl who won the following years RSA but he at least has history. That could be an option ? (He says, clutching at straws)
            At the end of the day, as things stand, no one knows for sure what discipline or distance any of them will be going. It’s purely a hunch based on the entries and runs at the back end of last season that makes me think they’ll all be hurdling. At least, based on the publication, if they do hold one back it’s almost certain to be Billy.

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            • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
              With what feels like the top 10-15 in the Bumper betting supposedly bypassing the race according to all and sundry, there is another 50/1+ Bumper winner itching to be backed. Who is it though........
              Lockdown scuppering the PTP circuit has made it more difficult this year.

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              • Originally posted by JackieMoon33 View Post

                Guily Billy was declared but pulled out injured (stone bruise) rather than any strategic decision.
                There seem to be a lot of horses conveniently stepping on stones these days...........

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                • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

                  There seem to be a lot of horses conveniently stepping on stones these days...........
                  I bet the Moon Landing was a conspiracy too?

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                  • Originally posted by JackieMoon33 View Post

                    I bet the Moon Landing was a conspiracy too?
                    Obviously yes. No-one still believes that pointless shit surely....

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                    • The big prospects list has been updated to include eight more juveniles.

                      While it would be too large to post here, it can be found either on twitter;



                      or directly on the blogpost

                      21st September UpdateSince last week’s update, there have been eight more horses added along with several updates relating to flat, jumps and collateral form. The horses are listed in alphabe…


                      In case you are unsure about whether you want to look at it, here is a list of the contents.



                      Thank you

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                      • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
                        With what feels like the top 10-15 in the Bumper betting supposedly bypassing the race according to all and sundry, there is another 50/1+ Bumper winner itching to be backed. Who is it though........
                        Nikini!

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                        • Kotkijet Great list. The one I like that is missing is Iberique Du Seuil - any thoughts? Bet365 refusing to add him at present.

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                          • Originally posted by JackieMoon33 View Post
                            Kotkijet Great list. The one I like that is missing is Iberique Du Seuil - any thoughts? Bet365 refusing to add him at present.
                            Thanks JM

                            I was umming and ahhing about adding him tonight but I am already quite exhausted from the exertions of the past few days. He's a French bumper horse so as I've not seen him quoted as going over hurdles, I will likely save him for another update. Am happy to have a look regardless at some point soon, but as I would be starting from scratch and am frankly spent for the day, it won't be this evening...

                            Adam Hills (prix de la horse) mentioned him by name in one of his pieces so he probably isn't total shit! He is available at 25/1 with Unibet as far as I can see but unless he's bred to be the next coming and only lost his bumper because he was literally running rings around the winner, that's a pretty crap price considering the strength of the current candidates.

                            Do you have any thoughts on the horse?

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                            • Simon uses striding data to identify which races three of the leading novice hurdlers are likely to contest at the 2022 Cheltenham Festival.


                              Rowlands analytical thoughts.

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                              • Originally posted by JackieMoon33 View Post
                                Kotkijet Great list. The one I like that is missing is Iberique Du Seuil - any thoughts? Bet365 refusing to add him at present.
                                From Michael Looby

                                "Morans now own him so I'd say theres a good chance he will go straight hurdling,I will see if any plan made yet"

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