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  • #76
    Originally posted by Spectre View Post

    That's a really good comeback CoD. But I will say I haven't tried to make the case to fit the horse however it may seem. I did the reverse. He was one of a very small number that are likely to come here that you can make a genuine case for.

    I add in my own trends and race reading to fall on a selection, and from those I mentioned Gordon's horses and why I discounted them.

    There's only one possible candidate from the Hennessy in Aye Right and I do rate him as a serious rival.

    Then the likely novice entries of which I only really rate three as threats at the moment, two of which you've named, and the third being Secret Reprieve. Nick Mitchell has said a graded chase for Lieutenant Rocco, Secret Reprieve hasn't had his target nominated, and If The Cap Fit likely comes here. He's not for me though, but I understand the case you make for him. I think he's too slow, you need something prominent that holds their pitch, I'm also concerend about his course form. Essentially I see him running on into a place at best rather than vying for the lead down the hill.

    Of last years class that usually do well. three of the first four won't make it here, and only The Conditional is a possible. I understand the case being made for him, but connections clearly aren't concerned about his mark, and their intention is to run in the Gold Cup. A soft ground Grade 1 over three miles twenty three days beforehand is not good prep for a handicap like this. And if he can't be competitive against the majority of that field it's unlike that his current mark is ahead of the handicapper.

    Apologies with regards the Henderson reference. I was writing from the top of my head rather than going back to the work I did. However, I'm not aware of a serious candiate from Seven Barrows. I'd have considered Dickie Diver, but he won't be handicapped anyway.

    There are two more that I had in the mix in Whatmore and Coo Star Sivola.

    Anyway without writing war and peace, my shorlist became the following four:

    Happygolucky
    Aye Right
    Coo Star Sivola
    Whatmore
    Elliott's entry

    Of those, Kim Bailey has confirmed Happygolucky comes here. I'd been told so strainght from the (assistants) horses mouth, and I think someone that posts here has also had it corroborated by asking Kim Bailey.

    Aye Right hasn't been discounted, but Hariet Graham has mentioned Aintree and Ayr, so it may be that he doesn't come here. i think he's a very credible candidate though.

    Coo Star Sivola will presumably come here, and not without a chance given he's done it before. Off his current 135 he's got to get in though, and in two of the last three years he wouldn't.

    Whatmore I like also. I think jhe'll come here. But I see him more as a horse that runs into a place. He lacks tactical speed. And he doensn't fit the usual profile anyway.

    If Escaria Ten is really well handicapped then fair enough, but is he likely to have improved significantly more than Happygolucky for a switch to fences? To my eye, Happygolucky is every bit as good a jumper than Escaria Ten, and you only need to look at last seasons Martin Pipe to get a measure of their comparitive basic ability. I can't see anything that suggests ET has improved hand over fist quicker than Happygolucky.

    Coc Beach has already had the National Hunt Chase nominated by Elliott.

    So which horses do I fear? None specifically. I do wonder if JP might divert something here though. He has a fair few three mile handicapper to split up, so I'll be keeping a close eye on entries.

    Anyway, this has kind of take it off track. It's the bet I'm an advocate of. Happygolucky is just my nominated horse.
    Have you considered One For The Team?

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Quevega View Post

      Do you think the Pipe's might run Remastered in this race ?
      He'd be a danger I reckon.
      They might and he would be Q, but I'd have thought the NH Chase might be the way to go. That's the race I backled him for after Saturday.

      I think Remastered will be no more than a mid 140's chaser though, and I doubt his new mark would have him far enough of the handicapper when he gets his revision. He's going to be marked up to 143-145 you'd think.

      I expect Happygolucky to end up borderline graded probably high 150's. His baselne over hurdles is higher than Remastered, and he still had postential for improvement.

      Remastered has a heep of hurdles form that'll stand him in good stead in a race like the NH Chase, and given the race looks like cutting up significantly I think that would be the way the Pipe's should go.
      Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Quevega View Post

        Do you think the Pipe's might run Remastered in this race ?
        He'd be a danger I reckon.
        Pipe/Scudamore do have a really good record in the race from memory. Then again I'm nearly 60 so you'd better check

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        • #79
          Originally posted by germanshepherd View Post

          Have you considered One For The Team?
          Yes he's a threat, and I have him backed. Not as cover, moreso for my book.

          I can't say this categorically, but I suspect One For The Team wants a flat track to be at his best. Not that he won't act at Cheltenham, more that I'd prefer his chances at Aintree.

          On the other hand I think Nick Williams has been minding his mark the last twice. Again I revert to the class angle between the two, and I think Happygolucky is more than 7lbs the better horse.
          Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by germanshepherd View Post

            Have you considered One For The Team?
            He's my winner in the race so you can scratch him.....

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            • #81
              You guys moving markets or has there been another quote or tipster put it up? Just see plenty Blue today

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Spectre View Post

                Yes he's a threat, and I have him backed. Not as cover, moreso for my book.

                I can't say this categorically, but I suspect One For The Team wants a flat track to be at his best. Not that he won't act at Cheltenham, more that I'd prefer his chances at Aintree.

                On the other hand I think Nick Williams has been minding his mark the last twice. Again I revert to the class angle between the two, and I think Happygolucky is more than 7lbs the better horse.
                I do think OFTT is relatively ground dependant as well. He wouldn't want it worse than Good/Soft to perform to his optimum. Nick Williams has a great record with his limited runners in the race and he does look well handicapped on his close 2nd to Next Destination.

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                • #83
                  I do think OFTT is relatively ground dependant as well. He wouldn't want it worse than Good/Soft to perform to his optimum. Nick Williams has a great record with his limited runners in the race and he does look well handicapped on his close 2nd to Next Destination.

                  Just looked at the long term weather for Cheltenham and looks like they will be adding water to the track the days before!

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                  • #84
                    Kealy tipped Lieutenant Rocco.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Lobos View Post

                      I do think OFTT is relatively ground dependant as well. He wouldn't want it worse than Good/Soft to perform to his optimum. Nick Williams has a great record with his limited runners in the race and he does look well handicapped on his close 2nd to Next Destination.
                      I'm not sure the Next Destination race is a race to take literally. They didn't go Championship pace and Next Destination saw off the horse that was nearest to him. Kalooki made a really bad mistake and was only six lenghts behind in third, and he's already shown as being exposed.
                      Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by germanshepherd View Post
                        Kealy tipped Lieutenant Rocco.
                        That improves Happygolucky's chances then!

                        Has anyone seen a quote from either Nick Mitchell or the Owner (who calls the shots), that supersedes the one that says they are going for a Grade 1?

                        FWIW I'm not sure beating Nestor Park was worth a 7lb rise, but I do like him and he's a credible rival. I'd prefer Kim Bailey to ready a Festival winner of the two trainers, and I still think Happygolucky has more ability of the two horses, and they're off identical marks.
                        Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Spectre View Post

                          They might and he would be Q, but I'd have thought the NH Chase might be the way to go. That's the race I backled him for after Saturday.

                          I think Remastered will be no more than a mid 140's chaser though, and I doubt his new mark would have him far enough of the handicapper when he gets his revision. He's going to be marked up to 143-145 you'd think.

                          I expect Happygolucky to end up borderline graded probably high 150's. His baselne over hurdles is higher than Remastered, and he still had postential for improvement.

                          Remastered has a heep of hurdles form that'll stand him in good stead in a race like the NH Chase, and given the race looks like cutting up significantly I think that would be the way the Pipe's should go.
                          Don't think they'll go for the NH chase if his mark is as expected. Although if Pro jockeys are allowed then it's more likely.

                          It's not unusual for horses to improve 20lb, and funnily enough he has form over hurdles with 2 horses who have done exactly that (Potters Corner & Dashel Drasher)
                          I also think it would be rare if a Reynoldstown winner didn't end up rated in the 150's, as they progress.
                          He looks ideal for the Ultima, as a likely runner in any case. IMO
                          I think that's why they priced him up at 10's, and PP also (via phone only).
                          I've backed him but hopefully they don't enter him tomorrow, as I'd prefer a clearer path for Happygolucky, Lieutenant Rooco & One for the team.
                          They are the four I've backed so far. All look the types to be 150+ horses IMO.
                          Funnily enough the one who's mark I'm not as keen on (taking into account the overall form) is Happy's.

                          We'll see how many are entered tomorrow, they are all NRNB except for Happy.

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                          • #88
                            HGL now into 14/1 with PP nrnb, Sky have him at 16s.

                            365 go 20s with cashout

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                            • #89
                              Another 1 point ew added each way after cashing out Minella Times on news he goes to Fairyhouse.
                              Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.

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                              • #90
                                Stake - 42 points
                                Win - 591.6 points
                                Place - 118.6 points
                                Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.

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