Ballymore Novice Hurdle 2020

[jack1092]

This debate will rumble on all the way to March. Not going to lie, it's one of the debates i'm least looking forward too.

Over two miles he has beaten the same horses quite a lot in his young career. At the end of the day he's beaten Abacadabras 1.5Ls. High level of form and he loves to win, does he carry the same excitement as a novice as say Samcro or Faugheen? Not for me. I really hope Mullins has a few come out soon to brighten up the novices in Ireland. Feels very much like the bumper horses from last year have carried on into this season with very few surprise horses yet.

[jack1092]

Excellent. Excited to see this one.

Hopefully he's one of the exciting novices, bar not a Mullins one haha.

Plenty of decent horses come from the race too.

[Lobos]

Good post charlie.

Not wanting to go over it all again (think I had my say last night!), but as said, if I had a gun to my head right now, I'd say Ballymore too.

But I have the biggest issue with the notion that they sat down in the summer to make their plans for the season... and when it came to EA they basically said 'Ballymore. Regardless of how he runs in any of his races or what he shows us in his races before the Festival, and regardless of what any other horse in England or Ireland does, he's going there. End of conversation'.

That just wouldnt make sense to me. Why would they be so cast iron? Just for stable money? Surely not.

The likes of Willie may not even know what he's doing with some of his a couple of weeks before Cheltenham.

If he does line up in the Ballymore, you can be sure some will say 'Ballymore, as was certain all along' or something similar. I just dont think its that cut and dry.

Agree. Whilst they might have felt he was a Ballymore type on what he showed as a Bumper horse, he has surprised everyone with his speed over 2 miles which must put some doubts in their minds re his ultimate target. A decision hasn't been made yet and won't be made for a while.

[Diggler]

[QUOTE=Kautothegreat8;128238]

He's 5/2 just to run in the race. Would have to be a bit of an idiot to take 9/2 to win it.


He was smashed for the ballymore start of the season

Hes 2/1 to win the ballymore with the yard sponsors.
9/2 top price to win the supreme.

Hes constantly matched for the ballymore on the exchange and always money up on the back side even though all you here is 2 miles this and 2 miles that.
Was the CH last week.

Abacadbras has been smashed for the supreme.
Abacadabras supreme and envoi allen to run in the ballymore @11/8 has been the subject to some allmighty doubles.

Envoi allen to run in the ballymore has been smashed from 11/8 to 1/3

Gordon wanted to start at 2m6, every time he speaks that isn't his own blog he says 2m for now. But he'll be a much better horse when stepped up. And hell be a staying chaser.

Its clear as day imo[/QUOTE

So your talking through gambling not through sport. If your not going to listen to what connections have said then they may aswell not be interviewed.

Bookmakers get things wrong you know.

id prefer to use my own eyes than listen to what owners/trainers have to say for e.g. Apples Jade was only going for the Mares then rocks up in a Champion, Envoi looks far superior and would probably win both Novice hurdles but you cant say he wasnt doing his best work at the end of the race and a step up in trip looks like it would bring even more improvement

[SeanRock]

Entries for the Naas Novice Hurdle.

https://www.racingpost.com/racecards/192/naas/2020-01-05/747225/

Envoi's in the hat not that it means a whole lot!

[Saxon Warrior]

Entries for the Naas Novice Hurdle.

https://www.racingpost.com/racecards/192/naas/2020-01-05/747225/

Envoi's in the hat not that it means a whole lot!

The winner of Sunday’s 2M4F Grade 2 will most probably be targeted this way, given their isn’t another Grade 1 to aim for that is between 2M and 2M6F until Cheltenham nine weeks after the Lawlors.

[SeanRock]

The winner of Sunday’s 2M4F Grade 2 will most probably be targeted this way, given their isn’t another Grade 1 to aim for that is between 2M and 2M6F until Cheltenham nine weeks after the Lawlors.

That’s the usual route alright. I’m hoping to see at least two of the Royal Bonders go to Naas anyway in EA & MR!

[Marty973]

https://twitter.com/naasracecourse/status/1205146124090269696

Interesting comments from Gordon to add to the Envoi Allen debate.

[Saxon Warrior]

https://twitter.com/naasracecourse/s...46124090269696

Interesting comments from Gordon to add to the Envoi Allen debate.

Thanks for the link Marty, it tells us what we already know, that he may or may not step up in trip this season.

I think if he he is going to step up then the Lawlors race at Naas is the race that connections will try it, early enough to decide which way to go at Cheltenham.

[Marty973]

Thanks for the link Marty, it tells us what we already know, that he may or may not step up in trip this season.

I think if he he is going to step up then the Lawlors race at Naas is the race that connections will try it, early enough to decide which way to go at Cheltenham.

"After Envoi Allen won the Royal Bond I thought that the likely options for him were either Leopardstown or the Lawlors Hurdle at Naas and I'm looking forward to eventually stepping him up in distance.

“Whether that will be in the Lawlor's race or later in the season remains to be seen but the Naas race is one we like to target with some our of best novices and it's a race we will be looking forward to."

That’s the key part for me. Think he ends up in the Ballymore.

[Kevloaf]

Well help me out then will ya !!!

He is if you read this thread back

[Lobos]

That is going to be some race ! All the top Novices entered up. Whoever wins that will go very short for the Ballymore.

[Quevega]

That is going to be some race ! All the top Novices entered up. Whoever wins that will go very short for the Ballymore.

You get a lot of bartlett types running in that.
Has everyone covered EA for the bartlett

[Kevloaf]

Why does he need a tow? Just blast off in front and do what he did in the Royal Bond. I just cant see how anyone can argue he has a better chance in the Ballymore. I'll accept he has the same chance, but not a better one. There is no proof whatsoever.

So you'd never back a horse that you thought would improve for a trip because they havne't proven it yet?

[Quevega]

So you'd never back a horse that you thought would improve for a trip because they havne't proven it yet?

Not sure he means exactly that Kev.
Are you thinking of Altior ?