Ballymore Novice Hurdle 2020

[Can't Catch Me]

Really? I'm not having that.

Of course they know Lobos. Look at the prices. Would you price him up at 7/4 and Abacadbras 2/1 if you had no idea?

[Scooby91]

And a certain Andy Dufrence and many others waiting for him there. Don't be lulled into thinking Ballymore is the easiest option.

He could go anywhere andy dufresne. Wherever he slots in, I find it amusing that on here he's slotted straight in the ballymore as the big dog in the 2m4 division. Is it the name, the fee, or the race he won 1st time up?

[Lobos]

Iv already done so @19/1 and 10/1.

If I was at all bothered I could cover my stake @ 5/2 to run in the supreme. But I'd rather not pay for the power towers annual Christmas piss up.

Surely after today's comments from the owners anyone would be silly not to cover him for Supreme? I have him at big odds for Ballymore but covered at 12's for Supreme as I couldn't be sure where he was going. I'm still not but percentage wise it must now favour the 2 mile race.

[Lobos]

Of course they know Lobos. Look at the prices. Would you price him up at 7/4 and Abacadbras 2/1 if you had no idea?

Could change after today or may be just because of his injury that they feel he might miss Xmas ? No-one knows.

[Quevega]

I'd say that almost anyone with a reasonable eye, or who watches enough racing could say that he looked for all the world a horse who would improve for a step up in distance. - Last season.

However, if we only had this years evidence to go on and had our minds blanked from those bumper runs (Men in Black style), I'd say most would have a different opinion. - This season.

Although I don't personally worry about the trip if a horses ability is clearly superior. It would only be extreme ground conditions that would concern me.

I think it's fair to say that Gordon has been surprised by how much speed he has demonstrated this season, and this appears to conincide with his technique over the hurdles also.

The Ballymore looks to have been the end game when the season started but his runs so far, mean that if it did come up testing in March it's going to make them think a bit harder.

I think that's where we stand.
Until he steps up in trip and gets beat

To Add...
It's not like he's beat all comers just yet is it ?
He is far from unbeatable based on his form so far.

But he does look very useful.
And is probably cock of the school at the minute. At least until the big nerdy kid hits him back and knocks him spark out anyway.

[Lobos]

He could go anywhere andy dufresne. Wherever he slots in, I find it amusing that on here he's slotted straight in the ballymore as the big dog in the 2m4 division. Is it the name, the fee, or the race he won 1st time up?

Or the fact that he IS being kept to 2 1/2 miles based on his entries. I am convinced he is Ballymore bound and have not backed him for any other race

[Scooby91]

Surely after today's comments from the owners anyone would be silly not to cover him for Supreme? I have him at big odds for Ballymore but covered at 12's for Supreme as I couldn't be sure where he was going. I'm still not but percentage wise it must now favour the 2 mile race.

Whatever any one else wants to do, in any race or any bet. Do not copy me, do as YOU want to do.

From my own point of view. I havent the slightest doubt.
He runs in the ballymore should he turn up on the day fit and well. And i have no interest wasting money on propaganda i have seen a million times before.

If you know what to look for, you know where he's going.

[Can't Catch Me]

He could go anywhere andy dufresne. Wherever he slots in, I find it amusing that on here he's slotted straight in the ballymore as the big dog in the 2m4 division. Is it the name, the fee, or the race he won 1st time up?

Thats just daft. Who is saying that please?

Clearly he could go anywhere depending on what he does. But if he wins at the weekend with his head in his chest over 2m4f against better horses, do you honestly believe that will have no bearing whatsoever on where EA goes? You are talking about things that haven't happened yet as if its irrelevant what happens.

Its beyond argument that EA has as much chance in the Supreme as the Ballymore to me. As we stand, the Supreme also looks the easier race.

[Lobos]

I'd say that almost anyone with a reasonable eye, or who watches enough racing could say that he looked for all the world a horse who would improve for a step up in distance. - Last season.

However, if we only had this years evidence to go on and had our minds blanked from those bumper runs (Men in Black style), I'd say most would have a different opinion. - This season.

Although I don't personally worry about the trip if a horses ability is clearly superior. It would only be extreme ground conditions that would concern me.

I think it's fair to say that Gordon has been surprised by how much speed he has demonstrated this season, and this appears to conincide with his technique over the hurdles also.

The Ballymore looks to have been the end game when the season started but his runs so far, mean that if it did come up testing in March it's going to make them think a bit harder.

I think that's where we stand.
Until he steps up in trip and gets beat

To Add...
It's not like he's beat all comers just yet is it ?
He is far from unbeatable based on his form so far.

But he does look very useful.
And is probably cock of the school at the minute. At least until the big nerdy kid hits him back and knocks him spark out anyway.

Think you have to listen to the jockeys comments as well which would suggest a step up is not necessary.

[Quevega]

Of course they know Lobos. Look at the prices. Would you price him up at 7/4 and Abacadbras 2/1 if you had no idea?

Not sure thats concrete evidence either way.
I've seen plenty of evidence of PP getting wrong with their antepost on Irish.
Only the other week they had the prices wrong initially with Fury Road and Abacadabras.
And they'll not accept any serious bets on these markets anyway, so its a bit of a misnomer.

[Can't Catch Me]

Not sure thats concrete evidence either way.
I've seen plenty of evidence of PP getting wrong with their antepost on Irish.
Only the other week they had the prices wrong initially with Fury Road and Abacadabras.
And they'll not accept any serious bets on these markets anyway, so its a bit of a misnomer.

Plans change of course q, and they won't get it right every time. I'd take it as a pretty solid clue towards what those plans are as we stand though.

[Quevega]

Plans change of course q, and they won't get it right every time. I'd take it as a pretty solid clue towards what those plans are as we stand though.

Absolutely, but they won't take much risk either way. Until they know for certain.

I'd say the slight price change since the market opened simply reflects that they've got word that Abacadabra's won't be running in the race he's entered for this weekend.

[Scooby91]

The owner has said they see no reason that they wont stay over 2 at christmas. They reacted by pushing EA out massively. And halving the price of abacadbras.

Some guesses, surely on that news they should have done the opposite.

[Kautothegreat8]

Whatever any one else wants to do, in any race or any bet. Do not copy me, do as YOU want to do.

From my own point of view. I havent the slightest doubt.
He runs in the ballymore should he turn up on the day fit and well. And i have no interest wasting money on propaganda i have seen a million times before.

If you know what to look for, you know where he's going.

Ok I need to ask ......... as you know what your “looking for” ...... what have you seen that many of us haven’t ?? Or do you have a crystal ball ??

[Saxon Warrior]

Envoi Allen there are only two options in Ireland pre-Cheltenham over a Ballymore type trip, that could take him away from the 2M Christmas and DRF races.

Those are

1) Slaney Hurdle Grade 1 2M4F at Naas on Sunday 5th January.

2) Golden Cygnet Hurdle Grade 1 2M6F at DRF Leopardstown on Saturday 1st February.

So it's a move to one or both of these or stick at 2 Miles.

We will know soon enough.

My thoughts are if he takes in a 2M Grade 1 at Christmas, and won, I really couldn't see a big step up in trip to 2M6F at DRF when the 2M Deloitte is on the same weekend.