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  • Originally posted by billymag View Post
    15 seconds above standard in heavy is very good first time out
    Aye, it could be.

    I don't expect (and hope) heavy ground form isn't really relevant come 1:30 on the Tuesday though





    Shishkin was a hype horse, people are going to defend him whatever I said.

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    • Originally posted by Craigy14 View Post
      Nico riding him right to the line might have just been as it was his first completed start? Giving him a decent blowout?

      Same with any sport imo no fitness like match fitness. With him falling previously running out of time to get (completed) runs into him, surely one more run up in grade if possible?

      He did settle a lot better and jumped well imo.

      Suppose we will need to wait and see on next entry
      Aye, could have been... he might end up really good...

      I was just making the point the winning margin, in heavy ground, might be a bit over played as it wasn't worth the actual distance IMO

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      • Originally posted by billymag View Post
        15 seconds above standard in heavy is very good first time out
        Handicap was won in 2 seconds slower by a 120 rated horse carrying 9lbs more eased down.
        The time wasn't all that.

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        • Yeah fair enough it does pay to analyse these things when all the info is from the day.

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          • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
            Aye, it could be.

            I don't expect (and hope) heavy ground form isn't really relevant come 1:30 on the Tuesday though





            Shishkin was a hype horse, people are going to defend him whatever I said.
            Absolutely Kev the confirmation bias in full swing this time of year!!

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            • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
              Aye, could have been... he might end up really good...

              I was just making the point the winning margin, in heavy ground, might be a bit over played as it wasn't worth the actual distance IMO
              Yeah get that view as well mate.

              As you said, maybe watching it a second time and taking all into perspective, it’s possibly not as impressive as the visual display showed. And 100% agree and hope no heavy in the description that week in March

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              • Not sure if any of you follow Graeme North's pacemaps, they are interesting even if just to see an overall picture of the pace of a race. Shishkins final 3 hurdles was pretty taking.

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                • Originally posted by jack1092 View Post
                  Not sure if any of you follow Graeme North's pacemaps, they are interesting even if just to see an overall picture of the pace of a race. Shishkins final 3 hurdles was pretty taking.
                  Do you have a link please Jack?

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                  • Originally posted by charlie View Post
                    Do you have a link please Jack?

                    twitter handle. Link to site in bio + his most recent post has shishkin's map.

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                    • Interesting.

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                      • Thought shishkin looked good today....with the owner having asterion forlonge and the big getaway, will all 3 get split? Or is the owner known to have run 2 or more live chances in a race?.....I can’t find an occasion where they have.

                        It sounds like both hendo and wille both want to step up in trip, I wonder who will get their way

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                        • Originally posted by sprintersacren View Post
                          Thought shishkin looked good today....with the owner having asterion forlonge and the big getaway, will all 3 get split? Or is the owner known to have run 2 or more live chances in a race?.....I can’t find an occasion where they have.

                          It sounds like both hendo and wille both want to step up in trip, I wonder who will get their way
                          I suspect they’ll split them. I personally think it’ll be Shishkin here, Asterion Ballymore and Big Getaway AB. They won’t want to throw 2 in vs Envoi Allen and I’d personally fancy Asterion Forlonge to give Envoi more of a race. Only spanner is Asterion could also end up in the Bartlett

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                          • Sidney Banks hurdle over 2 1/2 miles at Huntingdon next for Shiskin

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                            • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
                              Sidney Banks hurdle over 2 1/2 miles at Huntingdon next for Shiskin
                              2 miles 3 furlongs and 137 yards

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                              • Originally posted by charlie View Post
                                2 miles 3 furlongs and 137 yards
                                Lol !!!!!!

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