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  • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post
    Massive mistake for him to be 16's that's a huge E/W play, added!!
    365 now into 12!!

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    • Post race comments will be interesting. If Gordon says EA likely to go up I’d expect Abacadabras to go even shorter

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      • Originally posted by quevega View Post
        It is still the royal bond, and we've seen the form of that race get torn apart in the past.
        And Uncle Willie is just looking on at the moment.
        Indeed. But regardless of whats behind, giving EA that much of a race will do for me.

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        • Originally posted by Can't Catch Me View Post
          Indeed. But regardless of whats behind, giving EA that much of a race will do for me.
          Looked potentially good form with the way they went and pulled away.

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          • I dont think embittered is a mug at all, he went on with them, but was left for dead in the final stages, and paid the price.
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            • Originally posted by charlie View Post
              Post race comments will be interesting. If Gordon says EA likely to go up I’d expect Abacadabras to go even shorter
              I've said previously that I think where EA will end up will in some way be guided by his other runners, as Im sure everyone now believes he could win either race.

              Abracadabras has laid down a huge marker to be their second best novice. As we stand you'd have to think these two will be split up Supreme and Ballymore and be tough to beat.

              Up to Andy Dufresne to try and throw his hat into the ring now...

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              • Originally posted by Scooby91 View Post
                I dont think embittered is a mug at all, he went on with them, but was left for dead in the final stages, and paid the price.
                Yep, it looked a solid gallop which helps the form.
                Abacadabras didn't find as much as he looked like he had though.
                But Envoi Allen appeared to quicken again when he felt the other horse in behind, but that could have been the camera angle.
                And Envoi Allen might be very decent anyway so no shame on abac

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                • Originally posted by Can't Catch Me View Post
                  I've said previously that I think where EA will end up will in some way be guided by his other runners, as Im sure everyone now believes he could win either race.

                  Abracadabras has laid down a huge marker to be their second best novice. As we stand you'd have to think these two will be split up Supreme and Ballymore and be tough to beat.

                  Up to Andy Dufresne to try and throw his hat into the ring now...
                  Nope, nope, nope.

                  No no no.

                  Nay nay neigh.


                  Envoi Allen goes wherever they think he is best suited.

                  The rest slot in around him...



                  Different owners too, you're doing too much over thinking today

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                  • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
                    Nope, nope, nope.

                    No no no.

                    Nay nay neigh.


                    Envoi Allen goes wherever they think he is best suited.

                    The rest slot in around him...



                    Different owners too, you're doing too much over thinking today
                    Yes but why is it taken as a given that is EA much better suited to the Ballymore? On what piece of form? Are you saying you dont think he would win a Supreme?

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                    • What would you want from a Supreme winner? He literally has it all.... He's so slick over his hurdles, has outspeeded a very pacy horse like Abracadabras there and looks like he could stay further.

                      He just happens to be so good he could win a Ballymore too!

                      I honest dont think it matters which race he goes for, has the same chance in both.

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                      • Pretty clear what Gordon wants and who could blame him.

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                        • I suspect we won't know until 3 days before where he goes. The weather will play a big part and well being of others. Covered him for both anyway so no issues there

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                          • If its ground like it was last year I can see the Klassical dream scenario happening for EA but no one will know 100% until the festival unfortunately

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                            • Originally posted by Can't Catch Me View Post
                              Yes but why is it taken as a given that is EA much better suited to the Ballymore? On what piece of form? Are you saying you dont think he would win a Supreme?
                              No.....see below that I posted earlier

                              Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
                              Not arguing that Envoi Allen wouldn't win the Supreme, because he probably would....

                              but he's the Ballymore winner.


                              There isn't a piece of form that says he'll be better over the Ballymore trip.... there isn't a piece of form that says he won't be better though... unfair arguement.



                              You back him for the Supreme, good luck to you with it, if he runs in it he'll win.

                              I am confident he'll be in the Ballymore, and I'm not going to change. Loads of clues for me, trainer comments, owner comments, (if he's gonna stay at 2 miles they'd say now?) his PtP background, the fact he's a future staying chaser in my mind.


                              They'll follow Samcro's path, but get it right next season as he goes Novice Chasing.
                              Last edited by Kevloaf; 1 December 2019, 01:02 PM.

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                              • Kev. Ive backed him for both and will cash out whichever I dont need a few days before.

                                Just dont think anything can be set in stone this far out. But as we stand today, I agree he will go for the Ballymore.

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