Supreme Novices Hurdle 2020

[jack1092]

It was on William Hill radio but haven’t read any quotes from Hendo/Nico since to confirm

Aren't Unibet the bookie we are meant to listen to when dealing with Hendo Joking of course, but i'd guess they'll split them up

[Saxon Warrior]

Pp still 25/1 shishkin after the race

Yes I took the 25/1, gratefully received.

I have him at 25/1 Any Race from a while back. Would see him more as a 2M for the owner than Asterion Forlonge .

[Craigy14]

Shishkin did that impressively indeed.

Imo supreme would be his best chance, always a strongly run race so no harm having a little stamina for the finish and the change of gear.

Owner has Asterion Forlonge for the ballymore see no reason for that to change. We shall see if course.

[jack1092]

Shishkin did that impressively indeed.

Imo supreme would be his best chance, always a strongly run race so no harm having a little stamina for the finish and the change of gear.

Owner has Asterion Forlonge for the ballymore see no reason for that to change. We shall see if course.

Mullins/Townend said he'd prefer to go over further.

Nico said Shishkin would prefer further.

Both point winners? Hard to know which is the owner's Ballymore runner?

Run-in time for Shishkin was good, bettering two 120 horses in the handicaps. One that won by 19ls as well.

Obviously thats just a run-in time and full race sectionals are better.

[billymag]

Nicky will look to avoid Envoi Allen so I expect them to try and make him into a supreme horse until the horse proves hes not.

[Craigy14]

Mullins/Townend said he'd prefer to go over further.

Nico said Shishkin would prefer further.

Both point winners? Hard to know which is the owner's Ballymore runner?

Run-in time for Shishkin was good, bettering two 120 horses in the handicaps. One that won by 19ls as well.

Obviously thats just a run-in time and full race sectionals are better.

True, can remember Mullins saying the same post race re AF.

Shishkin quickened away really nicely from the last hurdle. Get the ground was pretty bad but the strong pace of supreme could suit imo.

[The King Pimm]

Sishkin was cut to 16’s by B365 straight after his win today and then cut to 10’s an hour later

[Kevloaf]

Wasn't as impressed as others regarding Shishkin. (Which is often the case when you watch something back after knowing the result)

The 2nd was eased down and Shishkin was ridden to the line as if he was in a head-bobber.


Not one to get carried away with?

I see Hendo won the race with 'Beyond Conceit' before... it doesn't scream festival winning path either?

[Craigy14]

Wasn't as impressed as others regarding Shishkin. (Which is often the case when you watch something back after knowing the result)

The 2nd was eased down and Shishkin was ridden to the line as if he was in a head-bobber.


Not one to get carried away with?

I see Hendo won the race with 'Beyond Conceit' before... it doesn't scream festival winning path either?

Nico riding him right to the line might have just been as it was his first completed start? Giving him a decent blowout?

Same with any sport imo no fitness like match fitness. With him falling previously running out of time to get (completed) runs into him, surely one more run up in grade if possible?

He did settle a lot better and jumped well imo.

Suppose we will need to wait and see on next entry

[billymag]

Wasn't as impressed as others regarding Shishkin. (Which is often the case when you watch something back after knowing the result)

The 2nd was eased down and Shishkin was ridden to the line as if he was in a head-bobber.


Not one to get carried away with?

I see Hendo won the race with 'Beyond Conceit' before... it doesn't scream festival winning path either?

15 seconds above standard in heavy is very good first time out

[billymag]

Nico riding him right to the line might have just been as it was his first completed start? Giving him a decent blowout?

Same with any sport imo no fitness like match fitness. With him falling previously running out of time to get (completed) runs into him, surely one more run up in grade if possible?

He did settle a lot better and jumped well imo.

Suppose we will need to wait and see on next entry

Unless youve backed Saldier and you need him to as good as the fit horses when youve only run once in 11 months, or you could just throw that theory straight out the window lol

[Lobos]

Abacadabras pushed out a little today ??

[The Beast]

Shishkin certainly looked good , considering they crawled for the first two furlongs and Nico took a little while to settle him. The way he went clear doing all his best work in final furlong only bodes well. Another run before festival he could be short price afterwards.

Supreme always helter skelter and I believe that will definately help Shishkin settle early in race saving valuable energy for the business end.The uphill finish will also help him use that stamina.

I would be amazed if Shishkin went Ballymore for same reason others have already muted regarding AF going here.The Big Getaway goes Albert Bartlett.Owner will call the shots not jockey or trainer I reckon , plus Nicky has another potential good un in Chantry House who looks Ballymore bound.
Only negatives would be his race experience and perhaps he not good enough , still value and more than happy with my 33/1 , only wish I had more on.

[Craigy14]

Unless youve backed Saldier and you need him to as good as the fit horses when youve only run once in 11 months, or you could just throw that theory straight out the window lol

That’s true haha!

Possibly slightly different with animals and humans.

But still working on the gallops surely wouldn’t be the same from the jockey as well? So that sort of affects the horses performance doesn’t it?

[Gem1304]

Abacadabras pushed out a little today ??

Possibly a reaction to being entered in the Champion Hurdle?