Supreme Novices Hurdle 2020

[Rigga]

Spoilt for choice is GE... If Malone Rd is indeed injured, Abra goes Here and EAllen Ballymore as originally thought ?
Makes sense

[Kevloaf]

I don't think there is any way at all Envoi Allen doesn't go for the Ballymore.

There is some mad obsession at trying to re-route a horse from the Ballymore to the Supreme... can anybody explain it to me?



Taking the specific horses out of the equation.... if Horse X is your best horse, and the race you think is best for Horse X is Ballymore, then Horse X runs in the Ballymore.

The rest slot it around whatever your BEST horse is, in it's BEST race.



Over complicating things.

[Scooby91]

"He's probably another horse that will go to the Royal Bond in Fairyhouse now. Puppy (Power) said he was very quick getting away from his hurdles and he was very happy. We'll keep him to two miles at the moment.”

@gelliott_racing

on Abacadabras

@NavanRacecourse

[ComplyOrDie]

Exactly that Kev.

[Quevega]

I don't think there is any way at all Envoi Allen doesn't go for the Ballymore.

There is some mad obsession at trying to re-route a horse from the Ballymore to the Supreme... can anybody explain it to me?



Taking the specific horses out of the equation.... if Horse X is your best horse, and the race you think is best for Horse X is Ballymore, then Horse X runs in the Ballymore.

The rest slot it around whatever your BEST horse is, in it's BEST race.



Over complicating things.

I agree.
However, the route to cheltenham in March is the only route we know that most of these horses are on.
Who decided/said he was definitely routed towards the ballymore anyway.
and you can't say the market as that's not human.

[Lobos]

Gordon's fav comment after every win....'Well keep him to two miles at the moment'. Impossible to read.

[Istabraq]

There is some mad obsession at trying to re-route a horse from the Ballymore to the Supreme... can anybody explain it to me?

I think ground plays a part with this, we've had some deep ground in recent years and connections become concerned about a slog over 2m 5f knowing that the Supreme will always be run at breakneck pace so even the 2 milers need stamina.
In an ideal world the ground will be good to soft with some soft places so most horses won't be inconvenienced by the ground and their targets will be known some way out....

[jack1092]

I don't think there is any way at all Envoi Allen doesn't go for the Ballymore.

There is some mad obsession at trying to re-route a horse from the Ballymore to the Supreme... can anybody explain it to me?

I don’t think the Ballymore has ever been decided upon?

Taking the specific horses out of the equation.... if Horse X is your best horse, and the race you think is best for Horse X is Ballymore, then Horse X runs in the Ballymore.

The rest slot it around whatever your BEST horse is, in it's BEST race.



Over complicating things.

Who decided that the route was definitely the Ballymore Kev?

[Quevega]

Gordon's fav comment after every win....'Well keep him to two miles at the moment'. Impossible to read.

And the more they keep winning at 2 miles, beating other horses at 2 miles , the harder it is to change it up.
It's what you know vs what you don't know. That age old question.

[Kevloaf]

Okay remove Ballymore with "Race Y"



My comment is about why you'd move from Ballymore to Supreme.

Take the specific horse out of it.




I thought I'd made that clear

If you think Envoi Allen is best suited to the Supreme, back him for that... my point is he isn't moving because of other horses.... other horses are more likely to move for him.... (and that is only if he continues to live up to the hype)

[Lobos]

And the more they keep winning at 2 miles, beating other horses at 2 miles , the harder it is to change it up.
It's what you know vs what you don't know. That age old question.

And unfortunately us punters know zilch

[Lobos]

Sorry to say Malone has to be injured. EA smashed for Supreme and Shawshank smashed for Ballymore. Enough said. Think they were for today's racing before announcing Malone out. Cheeky gits.

[Lobos]

Malone had to be injured. EA smashed for Supreme and Shawshank smashed for Ballymore. Enough said. Think they were waiting for today's racing before announcing Malone out. Cheeky gits.

[Scooby91]

Sorry to say Malone has to be injured. EA smashed for Supreme and Shawshank smashed for Ballymore. Enough said. Think they were for today's racing before announcing Malone out. Cheeky gits.

Relax lobos. Dont know where you've got this from.

[Saxon Warrior]

HFly, I think it’s probably their own book being heavier on EA, as you say because we have seen it run, that has shortened him.

Interesting on Malone Road push out to 14/1, probably means that they haven’t seen much cash flowing their way for the race. They didn’t need to take that big a push out, and it will be interesting to see if they are forced to cut Malone Road back in by weight of support.

I’m inclined to back Envoi Allen (FR) for the Supreme, where french breds have a good record, and Andy Dufresne (IRE) for the Ballymore where Irish breds tend to dominate and french breds have no win in at least ten years. It will only take until early Sunday afternoon to tell me how wrong this may be!

One step closer to the big double coming up
Envoi Allen 12/1 Supreme
Andy Dufresne 25/1 Ballymore