Ryanair 2020

[Kevloaf]

Hardline at 33/1 NRNB for this if you don't fancy Footpad
Real Steel 20/1 NRNB

Very little risk really, if they do win they'll shorten and if they don't they probably wouldn't run here. Maybe riskier with Real Steel I guess.

Voix Du Reve 40/1 same principle.

I don't think they'd push any out really if they lose.

[delsie777]

Personally think that APT is probably better than you give him credit for. Bit soon to be writing off CPS I think. I love Min but I fear that he will find something to beat him around Cheltenham. I'm finding it really hard to stick with Footpad. I really hope you're right about him because I owe him a lot but I'm worried about the race today leave alone this. If he wins well and goes short for this I will have missed the boat. But I can't say it's a voyage I'd really want to take.

[Scooby91]

Personally think that APT is probably better than you give him credit for. Bit soon to be writing off CPS I think. I love Min but I fear that he will find something to beat him around Cheltenham. I'm finding it really hard to stick with Footpad. I really hope you're right about him because I owe him a lot but I'm worried about the race today leave alone this. If he wins well and goes short for this I will have missed the boat. But I can't say it's a voyage I'd really want to take.

What makes a plus tard a leading contender for this?

I struggle to get what particular piece of form. Or he improves a stone from nowhere? Because he won a handicap over 2 1/2

He'd have finished infront of footpad in the KG?

[delsie777]

Hardline at 33/1 NRNB for this if you don't fancy Footpad
Real Steel 20/1 NRNB

Very little risk really, if they do win they'll shorten and if they don't they probably wouldn't run here. Maybe riskier with Real Steel I guess.

Voix Du Reve 40/1 same principle.

I don't think they'd push any out really if they lose.

I took a bit of 240.0 for Real Steel earlier in the week with the idea of trading out if he ran well today - not hopeful but worth the punt

[Lobos]

What makes a plus tard a leading contender for this?

I struggle to get what particular piece of form. Or he improves a stone from nowhere? Because he won a handicap over 2 1/2

He'd have finished infront of footpad in the KG?

Scooby, he's fav for the Ryanair as we speak. Thousands of punters and professional odds compilers who have put him there can't all be wrong. Maybe you are ?? Or is that unthinkable?

[Scooby91]

Scooby, he's fav for the Ryanair as we speak. Thousands of punters and professional odds compilers who have put him there can't all be wrong. Maybe you are ?? Or is that unthinkable?

Instead of a dig. Answer a fair question.

What makes him a leading contender??
What pieces of form.??


Would he have finished infront of footpad in the KG?

[Quevega]

Think people are rating footpad's run in the King George a little too highly.
26 lengths behind the winner in third. Not much
And 2 and a half lengths in front of the last finisher Aso.

4 lengths away from tailed off in my book.

He has a lot to prove still.

[Lobos]

Instead of a dig. Answer a fair question.

What makes him a leading contender??
What pieces of form.??


Would he have finished infront of footpad in the KG?

Not a dig at all just an observation. His win in last year's CB was sensational regardless of the opposition. His win over CPS, a horse that Mullins and co think a hell of a lot of (they must be better judges than you and I) was again striking and completely unexpected over a trip that was in all probability too short. He clearly had improved. It's not always about times and who is in behind either. Like it or not he's a big player in the Ryanair and maybe the number 1 Irish challenge in the CC.

[Scooby91]

Not a dig at all just an observation. His win in last year's CB was sensational regardless of the opposition. His win over CPS, a horse that Mullins and co think a hell of a lot of (they must be better judges than you and I) was again striking and completely unexpected over a trip that was in all probability too short. He clearly had improved. It's not always about times and who is in behind either. Like it or not he's a big player in the Ryanair and maybe the number 1 Irish challenge in the CC.

I cant disregard opposition. And assume that's an improvement. that's where we differ.

[Lobos]

I cant disregard opposition. And assume that's an improvement. that's where we differ.

Yep. At least that's sorted.....phew ! Enjoyed the debate though.

[Scooby91]

Think people are rating footpad's run in the King George a little too highly.
26 lengths behind the winner in third. Not much
And 2 and a half lengths in front of the last finisher Aso.

4 lengths away from tailed off in my book.

He has a lot to prove still.

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I'd rather have horses beaten at the highest level. Over a trip too far. He was bang there in a very strong race until he diddnt stay and got tired late on. he hosed up on seasonal debut. That's enough for me.

Where as riders on the storm / janika's handicap form just isn't good enough for me. As imo footpad / min would find it all too easy, and hose up on the bit if they were allowed the same Marks, But that's your perogative To take what angle you like.

[archie]

Coincidentally, APT and Footpad are currently both rated 165 in Ireland.

[The King Pimm]

As much as I like Frodon I don’t think I can stomach another Bryony Frost Oscar winning speech, I have to turn the sound off the tv when she starts up. I think she’s a brilliant jockey but she needs her post Ryan air speech last year made me gag!!

[Ray]

A Plus Tard ran a faster time in the close bros then frodon in the ryanair..ok 1 more fence to jump in the ryanair but the close bros was ran by a novice A Plus Tard i dont see enough improvement from
Frodon to say hell do it again

[Quevega]

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I'd rather have horses beaten at the highest level. Over a trip too far. He was bang there in a very strong race until he diddnt stay and got tired late on. he hosed up on seasonal debut. That's enough for me.

Where as riders on the storm / janika's handicap form just isn't good enough for me. As imo footpad / min would find it all too easy, and hose up on the bit if they were allowed the same Marks, But that's your perogative To take what angle you like.

I've got shut of the Janika bet as they've messed him about and he hasn't looked like he's going to improve.

Riders form is obviously not good enough or A Plus Tard's either. They're both untried to a certain extent. But have done what they've been asked of in a promising manner.

These younger horses improve and step up when they get the chance (sometimes),
In actual fact second season novices win the championship races more often than not. It's just finding the right ones.

Footpad's run in the King George is nowhere near good enough for a Ryanair win. It's straw clutching.