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  • In 'rude health' on Saturday and fully intending to run. Now this. Ridiculous

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    • Originally posted by Bonjers View Post
      In 'rude health' on Saturday and fully intending to run. Now this. Ridiculous
      He also said he was due to do some schooling this week.
      Wouldn't surprise if this was when Nicky changed tack.
      But I'm not one for speculating

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      • I guess his next race will be his final one so can understand them letting it be in champ chase. Ultimately will be pulled up but at least he will get a good send off from the crowd.

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        • Queen Mother and the Celebration Chase in April and then retirement?

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          • Originally posted by Altior View Post
            Queen Mother and the Celebration Chase in April and then retirement?
            Straight from the horses mouth...

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            • Originally posted by taylorch1990 View Post
              I thought after the loss to Cyrname the pressure would be offand they'd have a go with Altior but it seems to have had the opposite effect and they dare not run him. Like you say Archie he hasn't been his brilliant best for a while now.
              Originally posted by Altior View Post
              Queen Mother and the Celebration Chase in April and then retirement?
              I think this will be the route and end game for Altior. I think he will win the QMCC, I hope Henderson enters a pace maker for Altior to track and Nico presses the button earlier and lets Altior run the rest into submission

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              • It would be the path they took with Sprinter, he turned 10 the day he last ran, Altior would just be a couple of weeks shy of 10 himself on that day. I guess it depends how he runs at Cheltenham, he could have a day like Sprinter or a day like Kauto.

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                • I think all this faffing around is a smoke screen. They know he’s ready and he can run further than 2 mile after the Cyrname race so I think they are going to let him go earlier with the plan of having a lead that he doesn’t get caught.

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                  • I'm delighted that he's only getting one entry.

                    Been adament he'd not go Ryanair and secretly been really worried about being wrong




                    I've got 3 pts on at 15.5/1 from the double with Cyrname (not after timing as I posted it beforehand for any stray dogs reading) but I can't say I'm overjoyed at his prospects.




                    The closer we get to the race, the more I reckon I'll end up thinking he's just not the force of old and Archie's right about him (that he's been below/on the decline for 2 seasons).

                    I want that not to be the case, and I want that run behind Cyrname to still be top class, but it's just not is it? He's just not as good as I thought he was


                    3/1f now and any shorter he gets is surely just people wanting to be part of history, rather than anyone thinking about making proper money?

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                    • He could be third fav after DDS and CPS win their next races.
                      "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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                      • But Chacun has disappointed, and A Plus Tard has not been consistent.
                        And Defi's form with an older Un de Sceaux and Politologue doesn't really match up.
                        Cilaos Emery is the only one not to have blotted his copy book.

                        All this takes into account that you think Altior is still close to as good as ever.
                        I personally think he is/or there's no reason to think not, and the run vs Cyrname reads well if you look at cyrnames form last season on the same course and distance against similar animals Defi has beaten.

                        And I'm in the Nico bad ride camp for last season's Champion, as there's no way some of that shite should have been that close to him. and this year he should be sent on much earlier.

                        I also think there's a decent chance Defi still goes Ryanair.
                        But this might also mean Chacun looks shit hot in Dublin too.

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                        • Not sure how true this is but apparently bled at home.

                          Has anyone got anything on this? Hopefully just a rumour.

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                          • Originally posted by Parachute Paddy View Post
                            Not sure how true this is but apparently bled at home.

                            Has anyone got anything on this? Hopefully just a rumour.
                            Altior ?

                            Henderson has expanded on this morning's initial statement along the lines of his saddle hurt his absess again so the horse looked like he was sulking, but his bloods and everything were normal.

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                            • Originally posted by quevega View Post
                              But Chacun has disappointed, and A Plus Tard has not been consistent.
                              And Defi's form with an older Un de Sceaux and Politologue doesn't really match up.
                              Cilaos Emery is the only one not to have blotted his copy book.

                              All this takes into account that you think Altior is still close to as good as ever.
                              I personally think he is/or there's no reason to think not, and the run vs Cyrname reads well if you look at cyrnames form last season on the same course and distance against similar animals Defi has beaten.

                              And I'm in the Nico bad ride camp for last season's Champion, as there's no way some of that shite should have been that close to him. and this year he should be sent on much earlier.

                              I also think there's a decent chance Defi still goes Ryanair.
                              But this might also mean Chacun looks shit hot in Dublin too.
                              Yes all correct , you say decent chance still goes to Ryanair , Hobbs has always said will improve back up in trip.
                              Will Frank Berry agree?
                              Appears majority think CC ?

                              Vested interest here as in doubles with Envoi Allen @10/1 and Defi 8’s in Ryanair

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                              • Originally posted by Hamptonfox View Post
                                He could be third fav after DDS and CPS win their next races.
                                He could - I'm not sure the 'betting public' would have him go off anything but fav though?



                                Chacun Pour Soi and Altior both have got to impress at 2 miles next time for me to strongly fancy either of them again. (Although I don't need to and won't back any of them at current prices regardless)

                                Defi Du Seuil has the form in the book in my opinion, and to an extent so does A Plus Tard relative to the other two.... neither are certain runners though!

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