Queen Mother Champion Chase 2020

[Hurricane fly]

Douvan is made of glass and wont come here.
Un De Sceaux was probably Willies main hope of The Champion Chase and he now knows he cannot stop The Destroyer.

Imagine actually thinking that

[charlie]

I know we should ignore you when you say stuff like this but I think it’s important that it doesn’t go unchallenged.

Why would Altior be pulled up? As a winner of 19 of his 20 races over obstacles and the other race being second, why would he be pulled up?

Just ignore it mate

[ELEGANTLY TASTED]

I know we should ignore you when you say stuff like this but I think it’s important that it doesn’t go unchallenged.

Why would Altior be pulled up? As a winner of 19 of his 20 races over obstacles and the other race being second, why would he be pulled up?

Altior peaked about 2 years ago and is regressing. His career has caught up with him and he is clearly on his way out now.Its what happens to horses and is natural.

Going into the champion chase after being campaigned for staying trips is a huge negative and would be even if this horse was still at his best which he clearly isnt. He has continuously missed his targets all season long and clearly isnt the same horse anymore. Is it 3 or 4 races he has so far not made it too now.

It has to be much more likely he will be pulled up than actually run well in the champion chase.

If a horse like Altior is struggling in the champ chase they will pull him up. Nobody wants to see an ex star trailing out the back and he will get as big a standing ovation as the winner when he does get pulled if he makes it. He may well be retired on thr spot if he flops in his festival warm up.

[The Don]

Personally I think Defi is a huge price here given Altior struggled to beat Politilogue last year. His only competitor will be Mullins No.1 which looks like Chacun...

[Scooby91]

Personally I think Defi is a huge price here given Altior struggled to beat Politilogue last year. His only competitor will be Mullins No.1 which looks like Chacun...

Is Chacun undoubtably the no1? . Cilaos emery has atleast as good form, and they've never met.

UDS despite people knocking his age. Has better form than any of them on soft to heavy. Hes been beaten twice this year by a very good one, Dosent make him suddenly worse than CPS.

Seems people are holding on to the punchestown win of CPS. And are hoping that's the same defi that's ran this season.
Very optimistic imo.

[Craigy14]

Is Chacun undoubtably the no1? . Cilaos emery has atleast as good form, and they've never met.

UDS despite people knocking his age. Has better form than any of them on soft to heavy. Hes been beaten twice this year by a very good one, Dosent make him suddenly worse than CPS.

Seems people are holding on to the punchestown win of CPS. And are hoping that's the same defi that's ran this season.
Very optimistic imo.

Agree with that mate. CPS is the unknown in open company, but should be run a belter/win at the DRF I think that will keep his price as low as it is.

Defi surely has to come here now, can’t be avoiding altior as much as everyone on this forum and the racing public want altior to win, it’s getting a lot less likely with his prep

[Scooby91]

Agree with that mate. CPS is the unknown in open company, but should be run a belter/win at the DRF I think that will keep his price as low as it is.

Defi surely has to come here now, can’t be avoiding altior as much as everyone on this forum and the racing public want altior to win, it’s getting a lot less likely with his prep

Would be astounded if defi went anywhere else. He's won 3 key trials for the qmcc. And Is the rightful fav.


I Would personally be disgusted for the sport if he went ryanair. But I dont think theres any chance he does.

[Saxon Warrior]

Defi has no reason to go anywhere else but the Champion Chase, and hopefully in the next month we see some competition emerge over 2M that make it a true race to savour in the build up.

[ELEGANTLY TASTED]

Defi The Destroyer to win the Champion Chase is the banker of the festival. Stronger than any other festoval favourite including Tiger Roll and Paisley Park.

I dont have any financial interst in the market but Defi is THE banker.

[charlie]

Would be astounded if defi went anywhere else. He's won 3 key trials for the qmcc. And Is the rightful fav.

I Would personally be disgusted for the sport if he went ryanair. But I dont think theres any chance he does.

Couldn't put it any better myself!

Re Willie's number 1, I'd have CE @ 10/1 vs CPS @ 4/1 any day of the week.

[Istabraq]

Just watched the race.
Won like I expected at Sandown, basically on bridle.
Probably won so well today that this race is highly likely now.

That would seem the obvious route now.
Defi is some horse, to have the stamina to stretch away from his Triumph field at 4 and hold off a good JLT/Marsh field then 2/3 years later have the speed for a Tingle Creek and Clarence House is some effort, think they'd be mad to go Ryanair now...

[SamuelP]

At the start of the season I didn't see Defi as a 2 miler (wasn't sure if his jumping was sharp enough), but he has proved me wrong. Thought his performance was outstanding yesterday and is rightful favourite now (value gone antepost though). I had him backed for Ryanair and cashed this the other day for profit and put the profit on the Exchange at a good price, kind of hoping Un De Sceaux would beat him in the conditions, he'd be stepped up and I would be freewheeling at a good price in Ryanair. Ah well nothing lost. There's no way he can go any other way than QMCC after yesterday. Think the Dublin Chase over 2m will be fascinating if both Chacun and Cilaos turn up, there's potential there and progression is a funny thing. Consider that 14 months ago Defi was 25l behind Lalor over 2m at Cheltenham,now he's rightful fav for the best 2m race about

[Faugheen_Machine]

Has anyone seen a price for Defi in the 2020 King George?

[somer1]

Altior peaked about 2 years ago and is regressing. His career has caught up with him and he is clearly on his way out now.Its what happens to horses and is natural.

Going into the champion chase after being campaigned for staying trips is a huge negative and would be even if this horse was still at his best which he clearly isnt. He has continuously missed his targets all season long and clearly isnt the same horse anymore. Is it 3 or 4 races he has so far not made it too now.

It has to be much more likely he will be pulled up than actually run well in the champion chase.

If a horse like Altior is struggling in the champ chase they will pull him up. Nobody wants to see an ex star trailing out the back and he will get as big a standing ovation as the winner when he does get pulled if he makes it. He may well be retired on thr spot if he flops in his festival warm up.

So Altior is regressing so dont you think the 12yo UDS is regressing as well or are you saying the 12yo is getting better?
Thats the way im reading it

[TCH29]

Great run from DDS and fair fav.

But I don’t think this race is clear still.

Chacun and Cilaos Emery, we don’t know who the best is (possibly a different answer in different ground), and we know how neither compare to DDS. Form through Politlogue gives us a suggestion but not on CE.

Then there is Altior. If people can’t remember, Altior beat UdS in atrocious conditions at Sandown last season in the Tingle Creek. His form with UDS certainly doesn’t put him behind DDS. I get the argument one is progressive and one is 10! Fair enough.

But we don’t actually know how good a 2 miler he still is. And he has been a monster for most of his career.

Defi’s clock times at 2m this season:
4min 10sec in soft at Cheltenham in the Shloer
3min 59sec in Soft in the Tingle Creek
4min 18 in Heavy in the Clarence House yesterday

Altior’s times last season:
4min 3sec in Soft in the Tingle Creek (but I think the following race was called ‘heavy’ as there was a torrential downpour minutes before the Tingle Creek off)
3min 50sec in GS in the Desert Orchid race at Kempton over 100 yards further
4min 6sec in GS the Clarence House (167 yds further than Kempton)
3min 58sec in Soft in the Champion Chase
3min 50sec in Gd at Sandown in the Celebration Chase

The like for like there is Cheltenham. It’s also one of the most recent comparisons. Altior did a lot of the hard work in that race with a questionable ride from Nico. Everyone else got the opportunity to sit in behind and attack late. On the time comparison it still looks favourable.

Ultimately I think it is far from certain Altior doesn’t win it again, and extremely bold writing him off. If he runs and his price reaches 4s or larger, I think he’ll be phenomenal value.